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How many times will you be voting?

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It seems clear that there will thousands of people who feel it is their duty to vote for Obama several times in order to secure a win this year. McCain is a long shot in this race, and congress looks to go even more to the left, so prosecution for voter fraud will likely not take place. With that in mind, does anyone here feel this is an ethical thing to do? If so, do you plan to vote more than once?

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  • Huh, you are kidding right? you are fueling peoples beliefs that the left will do anything for their" god like" candidate to be elected.

    By the way, there is major prosecution of voter fraud, some poor women who really thought she could vote got several years in jail. I will find the link,

    So stop the sillyness.

  • "..Congress looks to go even more to the left, so prosecution for voter fraud will likely not take place. ".....

    What about the two fraud elections GW won and a republican congress and heads of voter registration in each crucial state like Florida and Ohio who happened to be Republican didn't investigate?

  • Just so nobody thinks I'm trying to pull one over on you, Syngas is my type key name, and asshat is my movable type name. Troll is my title.

  • In order to avoid confusion I just changed asshat's display name to Syngas since as he says it is the same person.

  • A special prosecutor appointed by Mukasey already is looking into whether improper political considerations influenced the firings of nine U.S. attorneys. At least one prosecutor was fired following Republican complaints that he didn't aggressively pursue allegations of voter fraud against ACORN.

    Bauer said the news leaks are part of a coordinated effort by McCain's presidential campaign and Republicans. They are ``fomenting specious vote-fraud allegations and there are disturbing indications of official involvement or collusion,'' Bauer said.

  • Hey JoAnn, New Mexico is looking pretty tight, Obama really needs your votes!

  • Done! I voted for Obama a few weeks ago. :)

  • Disturbing news, though, from the Las cruces Sun News:

    The issue erupted to the surface here, when Bernalillo County GOP chairman Fernando C' de Baca said, "The truth is that Hispanics came here as conquerors. African-Americans came here as slaves. ... Hispanics consider themselves above blacks. They won't vote for a black president."

    His comments were loudly denounced on both sides, and he stepped down. However, for a small fraction of voters, those words may resonate.

    This does not surprise me. I've always been aware of a certain divide between certain hispanics and Blacks.

    • Yeah, I remember seeing that when I lived in Denver. I thought of pointing it out a few times, but feared losing my relatively safe position as token white kid.

  • Considering how many hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters are being dumped by caging and other techniques, I don't think you need to get too worked up over fraud.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/blockthevote

  • You'll be please to know, authorities are ont eh case Syngas. An arrest has already been made in a voting fraud case!

    "The owner of a signature-gathering firm that works across California was arrested in Ontario today on suspicion of committing voter registration fraud, Secretary of State Debra Bowen announced."

    http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7226

    Problem is - this is a Republican. Makes it difficult to smear the Democrats when your own party is guilty of the same crimes. I don't think vote fraud is right in any situation, but I also don't feel the right should be given a pass on it's own vote fraud if they want to throw a hissy fit about it on the left.

  • Actually Sygnas Voter fraud of the type you are insinuating happen but are increasingly rare.

    With old mechanical machines and no accurate centralized voter databases it was easy to cheat in this manner. I have been witness to this happening.

    But computerized results and voter files it is increasingly easy to spot fraud, even when multiple states are involved.(retirees or college students voting at two addresses).

    I have never seen any number implying that these practices actually amount to significant numbers or that it doesn't happen more in one party or the other. My guess would be it all comes out in the wash.

    The registration Fraud of ACORN employees or others is likely to produce any actual voter fraud because it would require that people show up and proclaime that they are indeed Mickey mouse.

    Should it be prosecuted? Yes

    But so should voter suppression and voter purges. Why is Katherine Harris not in Jail?

    I think there needs to be for a real push to have national election reform that includes same day voter registration and much higher enforcement penalties for all subverting democracy.

    I think they should be handing out life sentences to anyone caught subverting democracy on a large scale and the agency investigating should be overseen by a multi-partisan committee.

  • The whole ACORN thing has been so convoluted by the media.

    ACORN has been trying to increase voter registration, and the administration of ACORN is also trying to do its job properly.

    When lame employees fill out fake registration, ACORN 1. still has to submit these registrations - by law and 2. has taken pains to point out bogus registrants in order to prevent the possibility of someone managing to vote as a member of the Disney or Dallas Cowboy corporations.

    So we have a situation where ACORN is trying to do its best in an imperfect world and they are damned by certain media and polticos for doing so.

    Otherwise, I do believe that voter fraud should be prosecuted. I also believe that people whose registrations disappear - election supervisors and "joe 6-packs" - should be given both a vote and recourse.

  • I'm going to use my magic ACORN wand to make Obama win my small Southern town by 40 points. In second place will be a write in candidate, Sarah Palin's no good ex-brother-in-law.

    "Should it be prosecuted? Yes

    "But so should voter suppression and voter purges. Why is Katherine Harris not in Jail?"

    It reminds me of Bentham's quip: "Lawyers are the only people in whom ignorance of the law is not punished." The government is allowed to screw around with ballots, votes, voter registrations, etc. all the time. Even when they break the law doing it, the remedy isn't jail time. Ordinary citizens are another story...

  • Syngas,

    I hate to dismiss this as bull, but it really is.

    Young staffers have no permanent residence, and how long does one need to live in a place before they are allowed to vote. Most states require that you be in their state for a month before you can vote. All these campaigners likely meet that threshold. This law is likely written to discriminate against college students, who should also have every right to vote wherever they are living at the time of an election.

    I find "residency" to be one of the most poorly defined words in American law. It seems most to be often defined in a way to be most inconvenient for anyont that is in the least transient.

    Young, poor, working class people are often living in one temporary situation after another, and that does not eliminate their rights as citizens.

    Now this looks a little dumb for he campaign, but they are clearly not moving enough people into the state to effect an outcome and if these folks were there living temporarily because they had to move in with their family after having a house foreclosed on would you still think it a crime?

    Only crime would be if they were also voting absentee at their last address at the same time.

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