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GMO Labeling And “The China Scenario”

Might, might , might, might...... Be afraid!

Or none of that might happen, the majority people might quickly be ok with gmos in their food and small but strong production of non GMO grain might grow to meet the demand

Or we might all just eat more vegetables.

Re: Biofortified article

So the argument is that GMO is just used for grain, corn, soy - low value commodities that don't justify costs associated with Identification of origin.

Well, not exactly. European Field trials are currently in progress on GMO plums, potato, squash, strawberry, sugar beet, sweet organic, tomato, cabbabe, carrot, rapeseed, chicory, and apple.

Of course, Sugar beets, zuchinni, tomato, oranges, alfalfa are already approved and in use here in the US. The Sugar Beet is particularly noisome since sugar is added to nearly everything. Go to a sugar substitute like aspartame, and it's GMO. Have you noticed how many toothpastes these days add artificial sweetener? yuch.

I used to be able to buy conventional seeds for the vegetable garden. Corn and Soy had to be Organic seed sourced, but things like zuchinni were safe. Not any more.

It is not so difficult a thing to require that GMO products are id'd. Every piece of fruit you buy in the market already has a code number on it. This translates into a USDA varietal definition. The market's database includes the product code, and the vendor code. Even the little hand written receipts I give to the Market that sells my eggs must have my CDFA registration number on it. A simple kiosk in the produce department would allow a consumer who cares, to type in the product code, find the producer and the producer data could include a certification by the producer of GMO origin or no.

Sorry Norm, I find these Biofortified propaganda pieces increasingly lame.

Fair enough, I find the nearly blanket condemnation of anything GMO as bad ofte dans any evidence or evidence that is decidedly non-scientific from the same sources often specific topics that we have covered in the past. Plums, pineapple use different methods than corn or and yet you lump them together. I get it you have a life devoted to organic and to admit that anything other than the party line would be difficult with such a stake in it.

Is it your position that the free market means any company can do anything, even with our food, with no consequences? Do you think that FDA rules designed by lobbyists to protect agribusiness are sufficient to protect the health of our food?

If we do NOT want to feed our daughters Rbgh, nor BT expressed in their food, nor sugar beets laced with Round-up, nor ammonia laced ground meat, and we CANNOT use labels to avoid them, then WHAT??

You say, GM=bad is dogmatic. Well, I have already said that I think vet vaccines developed using GM techniques are probably sensible, and if their safety testing reports are publicly available, and they are licensed for on-label use on food animals, I support even their incorporation into the Organic rules.

Do you support cigarette health warnings? Do you support human medicine inserts that list side effects and potential negative interactions? Do you support labeling on processed food that flag whether or not they contain peanut oil such that families can avoid them if their kids have potentially lethal allergic reactions to nuts?

If you don't support food labels, then what alternative do you propose?

I submit that unconditional support for GMO ersatz food products such that they should be forced on consumers who do not want them, is, well, sorta dogmatic.

Is it your position that the free market means any company can do anything, even with our food, with no consequences? Do you think that FDA rules designed by lobbyists to protect agribusiness are sufficient to protect the health of our food?

If we do NOT want to feed our daughters Rbgh, nor BT expressed in their food, nor sugar beets laced with Round-up, nor ammonia laced ground meat, and we CANNOT use labels to avoid them, then WHAT??

You say, GM=bad is dogmatic. Well, I have already said that I think vet vaccines developed using GM techniques are probably sensible, and if their safety testing reports are publicly available, and they are licensed for on-label use on food animals, I support even their incorporation into the Organic rules.

Do you support cigarette health warnings? Do you support human medicine inserts that list side effects and potential negative interactions? Do you support labeling on processed food that flag whether or not they contain peanut oil such that families can avoid them if their kids have potentially lethal allergic reactions to nuts?

If you don't support food labels, then what alternative do you propose?

I submit that unconditional support for GMO ersatz food products such that they should be forced on consumers who do not want them, is, well, sorta dogmatic.

Is it your position that the free market means any company can do anything, even with our food, with no consequences? Do you think that FDA rules designed by lobbyists to protect agribusiness are sufficient to protect the health of our food?

If we do NOT want to feed our daughters Rbgh, nor BT expressed in their food, nor sugar beets laced with Round-up, nor ammonia laced ground meat, and we CANNOT use labels to avoid them, then WHAT??

You say, GM=bad is dogmatic. Well, I have already said that I think vet vaccines developed using GM techniques are probably sensible, and if their safety testing reports are publicly available, and they are licensed for on-label use on food animals, I support even their incorporation into the Organic rules.

Do you support cigarette health warnings? Do you support human medicine inserts that list side effects and potential negative interactions? Do you support labeling on processed food that flag whether or not they contain peanut oil such that families can avoid them if their kids have potentially lethal allergic reactions to nuts?

If you don't support food labels, then what alternative do you propose?

I submit that unconditional support for GMO ersatz food products such that they should be forced on consumers who do not want them, is, well, sorta dogmatic.

You present one BT study, not yet peer reviewed as if that is the end of the story. There are hundreds of studies every year that when reviewed are found lacking. That is the problem and it cuts both ways, we are so anxious to confirm our biases that we jump at any that supports our view even if the evidence isn't in yet.

You're right it's a question of methodology that I have the problem with, it's one thing to say that organic farming is environmentally more friendly is agreed. But that is not the way you and others frame it. You imply that there is something dangerous about the end product itself. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't be opposed to labeling.

I don't care if someone tightens the lug nuts on my car's wheels with their left or right hand, and to require a label for something like that is absurd. I'll acknowledge that not all the cases that you suggest should require labeling are that simple but the point is the a valid one.

I'm heartened by your stand on Vet vaccines, but why the blanket rejection of other uses of GE, or are there GMO that you don't have a problem with save that it wouldn't qualify as organic.

Re: Gates & Trump.

Why oh why do I ever read comments on non-science-blogs articles which don't allow profanity?

Re: "I'm heartened by your stand on Vet vaccines, but why the blanket rejection of other uses of GE, or are there GMO that you don't have a problem with save that it wouldn't qualify as organic."

Tell me NORMAN. If I want to say yes to some fungus resistent tomato, but not to a roundup ready one, how exactly do I do that? You know, and I know, that GE is NOT just a left or right hand wrench. You know that there is ONE way for consumers to be able to make informed choices.There is an easy enough way, the manufacturer can label the variety.I label my products, what's so unfair about GE companies doing the same. Were food labeling laws in place, I could go to the market, say I will buy tomato named Susie, sure, she was bred using GE, but for fungus resistance. I will NOT buy tomato named George because he was engineered for pesticide resistance and thus most likely saturated with it. No big deal. You could go to market and say (I don't care, tomato is tomato). I'm not stepping on your choice, you're not stepping on mine.

Well, re vaccines, I'm in the same bind.

How can we be informed consumers of vaccines, if the use of that product must be made in a "Trust us, it's safe" mode?

APHIS lists Vet meds and vaccines, but doesn't publish the magic decoder ring that would permit a potential user to figure out whether or not it is a vaccine based on Gene-deleted vaccines, subunit vaccines, chimeric virus vaccines, Vector vaccines? Nor, might I ad, are SIFs' accessible for review.

How do we get comfy when the 'safety data" references human tests assuring destruction of an errant viruses by gastro juices, but are talking about CHICKENS (who don't actually have stomach juices, they digest with gravel in their crops). AND they are proposing use of the vaccines for LAYERS. So what happens to thos still live GE viruses when they hit a fertile egg? Seems like it might be just the thing to grow more of whatever. I'm not comforted when they speak about some 21 day meat withdrawal period for broilers, say "not to worry" about exposing other critters through virus shedding (since the assumption is that the birds are all confined (a reasonable assumption in the commercial world, but not exactly free range).

It makes me crazy to be responsible, as a livestock producer, for the quality of the food I produced, but to be UNABLE to access the data which permits me to make informed decisions regarding what I give them. I find it SHAMEFUL that most of the data we have access to regarding Animal Vet meds come from Canada (who tests and reports), but none from our own government (who hides and protects).

re: "qualify as organic."

well, I may not qualify as Organic for long. Our livestock committee appears to have decided that birds can be confined for any day that is below 50 degrees, but not ever confined for a day the coyote is prowling for breakfast.

AS IF, the birds CARE why they can't go out to play on a given day, AS IF the REASON WHY somehow affects the bird's welfare,.....

p.s., please remove the duplicate postings I littered your blog with. Sorry about them, I don't know how they happened. thanks.

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