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“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race” — H.G. Wells

"I yelled, 'I want my multigrain bagel!' " Rosenthal said. "The barista said, 'You're not going to get anything unless you say butter or cheese!'



I suppose the grammar Nazi doesn't realize she's a moron. It looks like a case of some stuck up broad with a sense of self-superiority picking on a working class person.

Would it have killed her to have said, "No, I'd like my multigrain bagel plain."?

I used to work at Starbucks. We'd get people who would order a mocha and get upset that it wasn't iced even though they didn't say iced. We'd get people who would order vanilla cappuccino and get upset because it doesn't taste like the stuff from the machine at a gas station. Sorry bub, but if people are going to be stupid about their orders then expect some questions so the staff doesn't have to deal with enraged customers when they don't get their order right.

This is nothing to do with grammar and everything to do with Starbucks having to limit the range of language so that their employees can complete orders to the management's satisfaction.

It is also a case of the self-importance of the 'barista' insisting on "The Rules" - a real "Jobsworth" attitude. I thought the usual understanding of the 'grammar nazi' was that THEY insisted on the rules, not the humble 'working class person'.

Agreed. When I was in high school, I worked at a McDonald's and I was constantly reprimanded by the "manager" because I refused to substitute the word "regular" for "small." Sorry, fries come in two sizes: small and large. And drinks come in three sizes: small, medium and large. That's it. There's nothing wrong with the word "small."

And at Starbucks, this "tall" and "venti" crap is for corporate weasels.

The woman just seems like a crackpot.

They have a system to make ordering easy and keep the line moving. IF she isn't observant to look around and realize why they do it that way, well than she gets what she deserves.

Why do they need a special vocabulary just to "make ordering easy and keep the line moving"? People have been ordering bagels and coffee for decades without this neo-Orwellian corporatespeak. Watch:

"I'll have a small coffee and a whole grain bagel, please."

See? No phony-baloney lingo, no trademarks, just good old fashioned words. Small, medium, large, yes, no, please, thank don't need "venti" when you really mean "large" or "tall" when you really mean "small."

She may be a crackpot, but she may also be fed up with bullshit and pissed off that more people aren't as fed up as she is.

Maybe Starbucks should spend less time with the corporate doublespeak and more time paying their employees fairly.

Actually Starbucks has four sizes. The Venti size is the extra large. So if you ordered large then you'd get the Grande size. The Short is the small and the Tall is the medium.

I stand corrected.

The woman wasn't refusing to say Venti (which means 20 for 20oz)I see people say large, med, etc all the time and get their drink just fine. I also have accidently said grande in other coffee shops and had the person accross the counter stare at me and say "what?!" angily.

What she was refusing to do is answer the question after ordering a bagel and as far as I can tell doing it repeatedly and probably subjecting the staff to some stupid rant about knowing what a bagel was when they asked here what she wanted on it.

No soup for you! Come back, Never!

According to the story the woman does it quite often. So she knows that the barista is going to ask the question but she just uses it as an opportunity to be a douche.

I'm certain she's not the only one who abuses retail staff. I've had it done to me, I've heard it done to others. The good thing is, when at Starbucks, at least you can push the decaf button for rude people.

Well, the anger is probably a reaction to the fact that nothing was on that corner until an enterprising small business owner took a chance and opened a coffee shop there, and then after surviving for a year or so, the parasitic Starbucks borg collective came along and now it's one mistake and they're history. And to add insult to injury, one of the assimilated borg victims used the telltale borg lingo in their shop. I mean, it's like going into a locally owned burger stand and ordering a Big Mac. What would you say in that instance? I bet something like "this isn't fucking McDonald's, douchebag." You might not actually say it, but I bet you would think it. I mean, seriously. Aren't you sick of these fucking corporate cyborg dildoes with their pre-fab sincerity peering out from behind every counter? Starbucks is probably on her way to work, and there probably used to be a normal coffee shop there not too long ago and she's probably pissed off about that and too pugnacious to hold her tongue. This country needs more people like her and I'm frankly shocked at the reactions I'm reading here at One Good Move. These are the types of comments I would expect to read on the website of the school newspaper at some suburban christian college or something.

Before Starbucks everyone went to Dunkin Doughnuts.

Starbucks created a bigger market for $4 coffee than they could ever fill. I don't remember ever seeing a fancy coffee shop when I was a kid. And lost local place have half their baristas working for tips

I bicycle a lot and only in rare, special circumstances do I not wear a helmet.

Even a short trip without can kill you. I have a tendency to laugh at cyclists who wear of face mask(totally ineffective)and not a helmet.

Cool cycling story. Here in Chicago, Mayor Daley is an avid cyclist, and he has added many miles of bike lanes in the city.

Unfortunately, many people who see an adult on a bike assume that person has had tons of DUIs. I've had a number of people make that implication when I ride to work.

The only thing I like about Starbucks is seeing a bunch of caffeine powered libs on their iMacs facebooking and twittering about corporate weasels while they sip their $5 cup of coffee/sugar. The $30 Aeropostale t-shirt is always a nice touch.

You really believe in the David Brooks BS, don't you? I live in very conservative towm in a very conservative state, and the Aeropostale store at the mall is doing quite well - and so is the Starbucks. Incidentally, I doubt you've seen anyone using an iMac at a Starbucks or in any other shop, unless it was plugged in an sitting on a counter.

It's the irony I love Tim. Conservatives don't whine about corporate weasels, so there's no irony in seeing them in an Aeropostale shirt or using an Apple product.

I thought you lived in a college town. How conservative could that possibly be?

The town consistently votes Republican and the university gave us conservative geniuses like Phil Gramm.

I suppose all conservatives turn down the socialist, social security payments, medicare, unemployment and socailist construction projects like roads.

We like coffee, you like not being poor.

...and the point is?

You're right, I don't go to Starbucks often - I own my very own coffee maker. When I have been there, I see lots of people on their computers - never seen one plugged into the wall because they have batteries, and WiFi.

A MacBook or iBook not an iMac.

I've been to Starbucks maybe 5 times ever. My comment related to the fact that the iMac is and has been, in all of its incarnations, a desktop computer.

Pardon me! Clearly I need to brush up on my corporate lingo ;)

Right! I insist that you get your terminology correct when you're slinging your stereotypes.


a Mac-nazi


The last Apple product I owned was an Apple IIgs. Loved that computer. Nothing ever went wrong - just got out of date.

Re: bicycling

Back in my "pre-full-professor" days, I commuted to work nearly every day on a cheapo bike I bought in a garage sale. I did that for about 9 years and it enabled us to be a one-car, one-income family and I figure that I saved enough money to put one of my daughters through college. Later, the sweatiness of biking ended that (it is 80 ˚F in the morning and > 95 ˚F in the Texas town where I live for several months a year). I packed on weight was slipping into couch potatohood. Six months ago (when it was still cool) I started biking again and my fitness level has risen dramatically. I'm feeling a lot better, my waist equals my inseam again - but hey, let's face it, I'm sweaty again.

walking and biking are some of the best things you can do. Integrate them int your daily schedule and it does you worlds of good.

THat and cut out sugar.

I'd bike more, but I keep spilling my coffee ;)

My dog can't reach the pedals on a tandum.

As far as the Starbucks incident, where are those Rodney King cops when you really need them? If they had to call the police about her she must have been and incredible hag.

Now on to the important story about bikes. Valencia is on the verge (I pray) of becoming another bicycle success story like Amsterdam and Copenhagen. What the city is battling more than anything are the attitudes many middle-class Spanish people have about the bike. Most folks see the automobile as a status symbol and aren’t willing to give it up even if driving doesn’t even make any fucking sense in this city with the usual horrors of parking and traffic. Bikes are for children or people who can’t afford a BMW seems to be the consensus. Although there are bike paths almost everywhere and a new bike sharing program was recently initiated, the local government has done next-to-nothing to make cycling more sexy.

Just to say how much I appreciate the Apple Mac pedants here. As our house has 2 iMacs, a Macbook and an iBook working, with a G3 iMac and a Classic II in reserve it gladdens my heart.

I ride in luxury as well - nothing less than a Lamborghini for me.

Is it really a Lambo if it doesn't come in purple?

It's really a Lambo - well, sort of. Tonino Lamborghini decided to cash in on his old man's name and has plastered his name on just about everything under the sun.

I must admit that I find the "special" vocabulary of Starbucks and others pretentious and annoying. I seldom visit them, but the few times I have I refuse to use their weird sizes. I ask for a large or medium and when they start using their names I just hold up my hands showing them visually what I want.

I never ordered "Biggie" fries at Wendy's. The only way they could sell me one is by employing someone who understood what the word "large" means.

Back to the Starbucks story. Evidently the offending question was, "Do you want butter or cheese?" Seems to me that her answer is simply, "No". Intonation might be relevant, as the question might also imply that one of the items must be chosen.

I think this lady picked the wrong battle to fight the right war.

You wouldn't think that if you were behind her in line.

Thanks Norm, "pretentious" is EXACTLY the word. "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed."


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