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Good Responses on Pascal's Wager

Argument (with bad music)

Responses (with charming accent)

From QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees, who* I am not certain are separate people.

  • Accents from the British Isles always make me what to use "whom".



They are brothers, which is why they sound similar and interact so closely/often.

Also, (if I may be so bold as to correct) it should be "who" rather than "whom", because QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees are the subject of "are" (the object of "am not certain" would be the entire proposition "[they] are separate people"). So one would say "my brother, whom I love dearly", but also "my brother, who I believe has stolen my car".

Much thanks, on both counts.

No problem. I am glad to see that you've posted these videos. Qualia and Theramin are some of my favorite YouTube contributors.

Mine too.

They seem like they might even be twins based on the photos at the beginning of this film

Thanks for the posting, Reed, but I am concerned that you seem to be rather condescending in your "charming accent" comment. I don't find Qualia's accent charming, but then I happen to live in the UK. I could just as easily say that I found Laurie Santos' accent 'amusing', but actually I listened to her arguments and found them compelling. Don't forget that this blog has a world-wide readership (as far as I can tell) and remember that - even if you don't give a dam - your statements will be judged and you along with them.

My only point was that the second video was pleasent to listen to both because of accent and their voices, while the first is sort of like nails on a chalkboard.

Believe me, listen to a new Jersey or a wisconsin accent. Your immediate thought will be, "Holy shit, everything I say sounds charming."


Well, now I'm offended because I'm from Wisconsin! I like our accent! :) And the farther up north you go, the better (or worse) it gets!

How man books on tape are read by the people of Wisconsin? Answer: None that have sold.

A book read by someone that sounds like the people from Fargo...I think there's a niche there! :)

But sorry if I offended

even if you don't give a dam :)

I can see that this should be the new extended title of blog

Onegoodmove:I thought these things might be Clues even if you don't give a dam

No offence - simply comment. I have a friend from New Jersey who, when being taken around Winchester some years ago, exclaimed "Oh, another charming garden!" in her lovely NJ accent, and I can't help but react to the american use of 'charming' ever since.

Don't make the mistake of complimenting either Pedant's accent or his garden. Neither will charm his socks off. ;)

I would be happy to have anyone refer to either my accent or my garden as charming, pretty, etc etc etc. Beats the hell out of you have an annoying accent and an ugly garden.

Unfortunately the garden in question was not mine - it was a public garden next the river and near the cathedral in Winchester. (Would that I had the money to be able to afford to live in THAT city!) As for my accent - I fear it is the UK equivalent of Brooklyn, not what you would call cultivated.

Ya, I've met a number of Brits (Irish, Scots, English) and for sure not all of the accents are charming. When I was in London an Irish double-decker bus driver was showing me around (no not in the bus) and I had a difficult time understanding everything that he said. He told me that he was going to show me the London "ee".

And there was a charming garden near the river next the parliament buildings. The bus driver had been around this area for years and yet was not aware of this lovely garden.

So, about that Pascal....

The existence of Pascal's wager - in particular, that it was the product of a mind as brilliant as Pascal's - is an outstanding demonstration of the perniciousness of religion. It is so easily refuted, and yet Pascal couldn't see how silly it was.

Did he have a charming garden? He must have had a lovely accent being French and all. ;)

One would wager he did.

I'd comment on Pascal, but honestly I think that the aforementioned gentlemen have covered the subject rather well.

Pascal's wager has never been a particularly good argument (it's a proposed optimum strategy rather than an argument for the truth of something anyway). I know of at least five major categories of counter-argument, but really "I can't believe something just because I'm supposed to." and "What about all the other proposed ways to go to heaven/hell?" cover it pretty well.

Pascal's wager has always struck me as an excellent arguement for being an atheist and a good person.

If you assume you can't know anything about god..

It makes most sense to assume that just being good and acting on what you can know should lead to a good life.

If there turns out to be a god and he is putting good people into eternal damnation because they didn't pick a theory of the supernatural and swear allegance, well then your odds of picking the right one were pretty bad anyway.

On the other hand if he is judging good and bad, and you were good, no loss not going to church on sunday, and you can apologize.

If there is no god, you are dirt and you had a good life, you slept in on sunday, you never hated or killed anyone because of superstition, and you felt less shame while masterbating.

Wins all around.


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