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Should we blame Monsanto?

Will I be eating them? Are they cute?

You probably will eat them, incidentally, when you have a salad.

I just wanted to say that I dropped the previous thread on GMOs due to being a bit too busy at the moment with moving out of our place and getting ready for a voyage to Africa.

But I plan to engage again on this topic. My quick thought here is: OK, Norm, it's true that genetic modification via horizontal gene transfer is a reality, does that mean that it's totally fine to be doing that ourselves willy-nilly?

I'm sure you can find someone to argue with who is going to argue that any genetic modification is wrong, and I'm sure you would look very reasonable arguing against such a person. But if we want to have a real conversation about this, you might consider engaging with, shall we say, a more informed and less extreme contrary view to yours.

To whit, us genetically modifying something and then not only releasing it into the wild but cultivating it, killing off all competitors, in order to promote that genotype is a totally different thing from a fungus gene hopping naturally into an aphid.

If you don't agree, then I guess this discussion should really begin with an analysis of what we know about basic field ecology, introduced species, etc.

My quick thought here is: OK, Norm, it's true that genetic modification via horizontal gene transfer is a reality, does that mean that it's totally fine to be doing that ourselves willy-nilly?

Of course not, but then that's not what we do. The FDA the EPA and the USDA are all involved in the process.

To whit, us genetically modifying something and then not only releasing it into the wild but cultivating it, killing off all competitors, in order to promote that genotype is a totally different thing from a fungus gene hopping naturally into an aphid.

By release into the wild I assume you mean just planting it. Biodiversity is important, but it's not a problem unique to GMOs, traditional breeding of plants can lead to exactly the same thing. So Biodiversity is something we have to address whatever method we use, though to listen to the anti-GMO crowd the problem is one exclusive to GMOs.

I'm sure you can find someone to argue with who is going to argue that any genetic modification is wrong.

The no GMOs under any circumstance crowd is a large one. Those who fearmonger rather that approach the field in a scientific way are a problem. In my opinion they are making the same type of argument that the anti-vaccine crowd makes. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to any acceptance of GMOs and then it will be most reluctantly.

The article from The Salt Lake Tribune is a real piece of shit. The author’s answer to the racial profiling aspect of the Arizona anti-immigration measure is as follows: But the solution for this is simple. Simply enforce the same rules that apply in airport security queues to ensure that nobody feels they are being "profiled" because of their ethnicity.

So he is proposing that the streets of America be as paranoid and devoid of basic human rights as are our airports? No thanks, señor idiot. If some cop asked me for my ID simply because I was walking down the street I would tell him to fuck off so fast it would make his donut spin.

The bottom line is that if there is no work immigrants won’t come, yet we steadfastly refuse to punish businesses that hire legions of illegals.

I agree. Particularly businesses that pay less than the minimum wage. I think if we catch a business employing immigrants under min wage or well below the prevailing wage we should throw them in jail and sieze the business and sell it off at auction.

Even if the business turns out to be ford or toyota.

I think if you had a policy like that those now in favor of the policy would quickly change their minds and decide to address the problem the right way, by prosecuting the employers.

Except that it is all for our safety and that's ok as long as you don't have anything to hide.

•Be Quieters v Atheists

He did do a few things that I suppose would be objectionable even to non religious folks, but this one seems absurd.

and others linked Muslims to attacks on airports.

I mean, really? how is that anything but accurate?

Taylor's Anti-Social Behavior Order bans him from carrying religiously offensive material in a public place.

So is there a definition of offensive or is he banned from carrying anything that anyone is offended by?

I assume the article from The Salt Lake Tribune is linked in order to get your readers to register there and give that twit a piece of our minds. If so, it worked.

I don't know what is so wrong about giving the "illegals" who are already here and are not criminals, a path to citizenship by paying fines. Make the employers pay fines if you like too, whatever. That would make pretty much everyone happy and rich and unicorns and stuff, except of course for the racists.

Yes, of course, we only want the non-criminal illegals to stay.

Hmm you want the criminals too to stay?

Look up the term 'oxymoron', and read your post again. How can you possibly be 'illegal' and 'not criminal' at the same time?

I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

Well first things first.

You're being purposely disingenuous. You and anyone else know what I meant.

Secondly, illegal≠criminal. Being here "illegally" is a civil offense, not a crime. But that's beside the point (see #1).

And thirdly, legalize them and then they won't be "illegals" anymore. Make them pay fines, whatever. They'll be more than happy to do it, and everyone wins, except the racists and xenophobes of course.

Since there is no requirement for anyone in the USA to carry proof of United States citizenship, how would one "prove" citizenship in Arizona to avoid being arrested and fined for not doing so? A driver's license isn't proof of citizenship since resident aliens can get them too. Only a passport would do - unless Arizona distrusts the State Department too - but I don't carry mine on a daily basis.

According to the law they passed, a valid drivers license or state ID is sufficient. text

And if that's not real proof of citizenship then the law seems even more moronic.

I wanted to follow this entry's comments so I've made this post... not sure if there is a way to be notified about comments with out making a post. I forgot to click the check box on my other post.

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