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Steven Pinker a Brief History of Violence

Who needs violence when you have economics.

No, I oppose of this flawed, piece of shit, legislation.

Luckily my reps have already voted no, and I expect this is going to fail. We will see.

Protip: offer something resembling single-payer, rather than a stimulus for the insurance companies, and I'm with you.

We have to start somewhere and there is too much money in this to allow single payer on the table. We should have done a mandate for each state to develop their own plans. Single payer would have been tried in a few places and succeeded.

I reject the notion that this bill is good for me, or you, or anyone.

"We have to start somewhere and there is too much money in this slavery thing to allow abolition on the table."

The irony here is that Obama is NOT acting like the Socialist/Marxist/Progressive "thug" that Fox News claims he is. And that's exactly why he will go down in history as the Jimmy Carter of the 21st Century- inspiring man, but lousy leader.

You are suggesting civil war?

The lesson dems should learn from fox news is there isn't any bennifit to being moderate. you get slammed as a commie Nazi homosexual pagan no matter what you do. You might as well pass something that actually works.

What we have seen is the money has the power to kill legislation and they damn near killed this mediocre bill just because it is called reform and they don't like the idea of being reformed in the least.

Democrats played it safe and still the bill was demonized. But anything the insurance industry is afraid of, I support.

Red:

You are suggesting civil war?

Not anymore. I'm married now, and too old to fight.

The lesson dems should learn from fox news is there isn't any bennifit to being moderate.

I agree 100%; as I said, I would support a single-payer system if Obama had the balls to offer it.

But anything the insurance industry is afraid of, I support.

This sort of narrow-minded false dichotomy is the sort of thinking we used to lampoon on this site. Remember that? Remember those good ole days when we all hated Bush and could all share that hate?

I already admitted I'm too old to fight, so I'll just offer this:

1) If the insurance companies were afraid of a bill that made suicide mandatory, I'd agree with them- and so would you.

2) Why would the insurance companies be afraid of mandatory insurance? As Norm's post showed earlier, they don't give 2 shits about paying an extra $40 so long as they can spread that cost to us.

3) You want to scare the insurance lobby? I want to ELIMINATE them. Let insurance become what it was intended to be- a supplemental luxury for those with special needs.

I'm torn. A lot more people will be covered. On the other hand, these stock prices can't be good for most of us (Mar 6, 2009, Mar. 19, 2010):

Humana (19.53, 50.0) up 156% Aetna (20.22, 34.46) up 70% Wellpoint (34.41, 65.07) up 89% United Health (17.90, 34.39) up 92% Cigna (13.44, 37.08) up 176% ...and I could go on.

The S&P 500 is up 69.7% off the deep bottom of 3/6/09. Almost all health insurance companies are beating that.

These companies are obviously not one bit frightened of the raging socialism in this bill.

are you not familiar with teh old socialist trick of inflating/deflating teh numbers, both for fun and profit, and political manipulation? you TRUST those numbers to reflect "truth"? ha!

you, know, on the socialist stock market. ;)

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