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God Given Healthcare

Tip to pedantsareus for the video.

Hearing the religious individual talk about Government not giving us rights, but God giving us rights set me to thinking. I think it is a pretty offensive idea actually. If God gives us rights than he must really hate Koreans. The generations enslaved people that most all of us have in our ancestry would all have been the victim of some cruel act of neglect from God. As I think about it more I think that what is true is that no one or organization or individual can really give you a right. Not the Government and certainly there is zero evidence that a God has tried to give us anything. Similarly I think we hear a lot about the Government taking away our rights.

The truth is that every human and organization that has not agreed to live with you civilly will deny you your freedom. The only the way to maintain and rights and freedoms come from the fight we mount to maintain them. The Bill of rights is simply a commitment to wage a common struggle.

Insurance companies have conspired to take liberty from so many when they are at there most vulnerable in pursuit of their own profits. How can we counter such a force? How can we ensure that our own quest for basic survival and health can't be used to take the promise of comfortable living and potential prosperity from our families?

The simple answer is that we must engage those that would take our liberty through a coordinated effort.

The bill that just passed the US House and Senate is far from perfect, perhaps some distance from good, but it is the manifestation of our collective effort to ensure our freedom. I am glad that we have gotten this far and agreed on this much. I hope we don't take very long to rest.


 

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Chase Whiteside, the interviewer in this video (and others like it I've seen) is rapidly becoming one of my favorite people. The way he exposes people's ignorance is elegant and artistic.

http://newleftmedia.com/

This reminds me of "What God Wants I, II & III" by Roger Waters... been listening to his channel on Pandora a lot this month.

Selected Lyrics:

What God wants... God GETS.

God help us all

The priest said: God wants goodness God wants light God wants mayhem God wants a clean fight

What God wants... God GETS. God help us all

God wants peace God wants war God wants famine God wants chain stores God wants sedition God wants sex God wants freedom God wants semtex What God wants God gets God wants borders God wants crap God wants rainfall And God wants wetbacks What God wants God gets God wants voodoo God wants shrines God wants law God wants organized crime God wants crusade God wants jihad God wants good God wants bad What God wants... God GETS. God help us all

Although this one from Radio KAOS is a fan-vid made 2 years ago... has some nice visuals relating to recent politics..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q3sP1ZyYHw

my goodness reed you sound like you've been drinking the...tea.

The simple answer is that we must engage those that would take our liberty through a coordinated effort.

a quote picked at random, indicitive of your general tone.

"no one (but god) can gauratee our rights! the only rights we have are those we fight for! everyone is the enemy! ("every human and organization" that you don't like). to the pitchforks and torches, my bretheren!"

the phrase "but god" in quotes above is the only thing that sounds to me any different than the teapartiers. what, are you guys tired of your hi-def tv's already? go back to sleep, america.

:)

3-D can't get here fast enough.

But to your point, it may sound similar in part because, "fighing for liberty", "don't tread on me" talk is just part of US vernacular.

But at the heart of it there are some important differences.

They don't believe that government can be a pursuit of common goals. They see Govt as, the military and a system by which their wealth is transfered to the "other".

Meaning at times, those of color. They think that is the primary force reducing their liberty.

right, i do understand those things. just trying to keep you on your toes. as you show most eloquently below, i can't see you attacking the poor and disadvantaged with a pitchfork anytime soon. kudos.

Leno should at least get a nod.

I'm with Coco

One should look up Paul Hipp's song "We're Number 37" on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

Also, no one in congress protested when Bush decided to give 30 billion dollars over 10 years in military aid to Israel, three times more than the estimated cost of health care.

You have to love America.

Here we have a large gaggle of white, mostly working class people fighting for a cause that goes against their own self interest and that of their progeny.

They are so ill-informed, illogical, and inarticulate that it's almost sad. And laughable. They don't seem to present any substantive arguments against HCR. They don't like it...'cos they don't like it--they're not sure why, but, dang-gumbit, it must be wrong.

Somehow our education system and culture have failed these people. How else can we explain such abject stupidity and blissful ignorance?

Maybe they are over medicated.

Proles and animals are free!

As much as I think most of these teabaggers are complete retards, I feel that lumping in the LaRouche people with them doesn’t paint a fair picture of their ignorance. The LaRouche gang could bring down the test scores in a roomful of termites. I also think that he probably cherry-picked the real dummies in the crowd (or maybe that wasn’t difficult to do). With that said, what this handful of hillbillies seem to forget is that “the people” already voiced their opinions on health care and they voted decisively in favor of reform.

RE: Fat chick wearing a “I survived Roe vs Wade” t-shirt

Maybe we’ll have better abortionists under socialized medicine? (Folks, I am really sorry for that joke)

What a hopelessly stupid constituency.

Why is it that when I have two jobs, pay my taxes, and paying extra for insurance, I'm going to be obligated to pay life insurance for some homeless, drug-addict bum who can't hold down a job and would sell his or her own baby for a crack pipe? I'm a hard-working citizen, paying my mortgage on time, all my other bills, insurance, but now my taxes are going to go up just to help the people who won't help themselves? I mean, we've already got way too many issues with Welfare now we're gonna throw more money into this universal healthcare and just make the middle class and up pony up the dough for it.

I have a question for all you guys: how many of you enjoy waiting those long lines at the DMV? I doubt any of you do. You have to take a number, sit and wait a few hrs to talk to some monotone idiot about something for a few minutes, it completely blows! Welcome to the so-called change. Now the next time you need to go see your doctor, become ill, fracture an arm, whatever, unless it is CRUCIAL that you see a doctor at THAT VERY MOMENT or you'll drop dead, you are gonna pull a number, sit and wait a few hrs with all the people that now have this universal healthcare. The worst of it is all of you are gonna pay separately for your own health care AND you are stuck waiting in line right by that crack addict I mentioned earlier.

Because the govt assumes you are a human being with a conscience?

Well ok, lets just give up on that. Here is why. Because you want to live in a country where human life is given value so that you don't end up dead for no good reason.

Allow me to illustrate with a story.

Before I was born my mother worked in a photography store. The store was owned by one of the richest men in my home town. He owned a series of businesses including an amusement park. He was a multi millionaire. One of the things that he loved to do was hang out at the Y and play poker with his old friends and drink. One night, sitting around a poker table and drinking a beer on a hot summer night, he took of his shirt. He was hot. He was having a heart attack. They called an ambulence. As his heart attack got worse, he vomited. When he got to the hospital, he was fresh from the Y and covered in vomit and probably piss and stank. Rather than treat him immediately, the doctor demanded that the man he thought was a drunk bum be cleaned up. He died. (his son was troubled and later took part in a biker gang double Homicide at the amusement park, but that's another story)

This is why we all want to have every life in an emergency treated as valuable. Which is what we already do. You already pay for it through your insurance. the high cost we pay is due in part to the fact that it costs more to give emergency care than it does preventative. So in the long term, subsidized health-care and even single payer saves you money.

But you aren't about self interest, you hate those poor lazy people.

"You already pay for it through your insurance. the high cost we pay is due in part to the fact that it costs more to give emergency care than it does preventative. So in the long term, subsidized health-care and even single payer saves you money."

And where does this money come from to subsidize healthcare? The taxpayer!

"you hate those poor lazy people."

Drug addicts and the morbidly obese chose to lead lives that put them at medical risk. That's their business but I shouldn't have to be obligated to pay for that.

And where does this money come from to subsidize healthcare? The taxpayer!

Uhm, you do realize that if you pay an insurance company, the money goes away in the same way as if you pay taxes. The quesiton, should be, which is cheaper, more taxes or higher rates? The results of every industrialized country tells us that they taxes are cheaper and provide the service at equal or greater quality.

oh, and if you have morals, than you may also may be intersted to know that less people die needlessly.

Of course those people are probably lazy drug addicts. (who in those socialist countries recieve treatment for their addictions and occassionally go on to lead productive lives). Damn leaches!

But unless you make more than the average american and pay more taxes than average, a switch to paying healthcare out of income taxes would mean those making more than you would be subsidizing your healthcare.

You know that morbid obesity and drug addiction aren't limited to the poor right? Doctors have one of the highest drug addiction rates actually. Obesity is pretty much everywhere thanks to corn subsidies and automobiles.

you already subsidize a whole lot of these people when you pay your bill. Do you get that?

I have a question for all you guys: how many of you enjoy waiting those long lines at the DMV?

I had no problem last time I went to the DMV and most people in countries with socialized medicine (far from what this bill does) are happier with their healthcare than we are.

Let me ask you a question.

Why would you want to get your healthcare from an organization that operates like your cell phone or cable provider?

And to that crack addict, oh yes there is that whole having a conscience and valuing human life business. BTW, if you have to hold down two jobs to afford healthcare, than odds are that 70% of us are ahead of you in line already. Good luck back there.

Just one question for Blullite - what experience have you had waiting in line at the "Socialised medicine Hospital, or Doctor's"? As RedSeven said "most people in countries with socialized medicine (far from what this bill does) are happier with their healthcare .. " people working at the DMV are (probably) not the sort of individual that goes into a profession to help others (as is the case with almost all members of the medical profession in my country) but simply for personal profit.. It would seem to me that the problem with US Healthcare is that the people who work in Medical Insurance in the USA are also in it for personal profit.

As per my comments above, I rest my case.

Thank you for confirming what I said.

I'm sorry, "bluiite," I cannot respond to your question because they're utterly ridiculous and puerile.

Can I ask you a question? have you ever served in the Armed Forces?

If you haven't, do you ever feel guilty that those who do served risk life and limb every day in our two wars while you sit safe at home whining about poor people leeching off your tax money?

I mean, really, what a generation of swine we have nowadays, so many who won't serve our country while a small few continually risk their lives for the rest of us...what a bunch of lazy, cowardly, and selfish scumbags all you non-servng pussies are! Leeches! Enjoying freedom that is paid for by the blood and sacrifice of others.

Of course, I don't honestly believe what I wrote above. I'm just using your childish logic.

Health care is a finite resource like any other, and the cold, economic term for what has to occur when a resource is limited is RATIONING. The unfortunate and unavoidable fact is that in the final analysis, some people are simply going to have to go without. This is true of everything: cars, fine dining, education at elite universities, etc. Pumping more subsidies into the process isn't going to increase the number of doctors that have been trained or the number of drugs that have been developed.

The real question in all this is whether free men in free markets should be the ones making the decisions OR whether an all-knowing government, stacked top to bottom with bureaucrats who've never worked in the private sector, should be dictating what people can do with the products their own minds came up with. Here's how the arrogance looks: "You put in the innovative work," says the bureaucrat, "and I will tell you what you are allowed to do with it."

Redseven wrote, "Why would you want to get your healthcare from an organization that operates like your cell phone or cable provider?"

The free-enterprise system is a long-term, thankless effort. It is also one that's allowed a disproportionate number of breakthroughs in medical science to come from the U.S.

That's just an attempt at making some claim about unethical practices. Take this whole pre-existing conditions deal. People who denied coverage based upon pre-existing conditions are those who had never paid into the system in their lives and then asked for expensive procedures out of nowhere. Why is it unethical to say no, exactly? These businesses are not charities, and their products do not simply fall out of the sky. Would you think it okay to wait until you got into an accident to buy car insurance?

Health care is a finite resource like any other

Actually, Its a service

The real question in all this is whether free men in free markets should be the ones making the decisions OR whether an all-knowing government

Do you vote? You are allowed to do that if you aren't a felon or undocumented worker.

The free-enterprise system is a long-term, thankless effort.

Thankless? Have you ever heard of profit? Did you want us to send the free market a thank you note too?

that's allowed a disproportionate number of breakthroughs in medical science to come from the U.S.

Do you watch news? Do you know that Pharma companies spend way more on advertizing than on research?

Government funding for medical research amounts to approximately 36% of existing in the US, so its not all free market anyway

Why is it unethical to say no, exactly?

Why is it unethical to let people die, whom you could easily save? Ask your preacher this sunday, let us know what he says.

Actually, Its a service

Actually it's both, but I stressed the resource element because it costs billions in R&D to get a new drug to market. It also takes 10 years of professional training and a horrible amount of 16-hr-per-day work during your early years as a doctor.

Thankless? Have you ever heard of profit? Did you want us to send the free market a thank you note too?

I would like you to stop bashing the very system that gave you these things that you want the government to take over.

Do you watch news? Do you know that Pharma companies spend way more on advertizing than on research?

Well duh. That is how they recoup the money they spent during research and development.

Government funding for medical research amounts to approximately 36% of existing in the US, so its not all free market anyway.

Correct, which is bad.

Why is it unethical to let people die, whom you could easily save?

Why do you people think that health insurance companies are charities? Do you think that you're entitled to someone else's thought and labor?

People who denied coverage based upon pre-existing conditions are those who had never paid into the system in their lives and then asked for expensive procedures out of nowhere. Why is it unethical to say no, exactly?

Do you have any facts to back this absurd and ridiculously stupid claim?

I have been working since I was 19 years old (I'm now 46) and I and my companies have always paid my insurance premiums for all those 27 years.

Two years ago it was discovered I have a genetic heart defect that has caused an aortic aneurysm to arise over the course of my life. The treatment and care for this is incredibly expensive. This came about not by anything I did (I am a fairly fit and health-conscious person), but because of shit luck. If I lost my job tomorrow, under the old system (prior to today's HCR bill being signed), I would have NEVER gotten health coverage again.

So your "survival of the fittest" ideology makes me sick, you vile human being. If you were sitting next to me in a bar and you spouted this horseshit, you can goddamn guarantee I'd drag your punk ass out of that bar and toss you in the fucking street. Since you believe in survival of the fittest so much, let me be the one to test my physical superiority over you in such a manner.

I know I should comport myself and stick to logic and reason here on OGM, but holy fuck, where do these little assholes like this come from, and why should I be the least bit civil with someone so disgusting and repugnant?

I am not sure how your life shaped you into such a creepy, twisted, and misanthropic little fuck, but let me be the first to wag my tongue at you and berate you now that people like me are protected under the new system.

The real question in all this is whether free men in free markets should be the ones making the decisions...

Like those brilliant "free men" in Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Enron, AIG, WorldCom, Tyco, et al.?

No thanks. I put my trust in a government I helped to elect, not in some faceless scumbags hellbent on crashing our economy for personal gain.

Please, continue with your ridiculous arguments such as this. Deconstructing your childish views is rather easy and like shooting fish in a barrel.

Like those brilliant "free men" in Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Enron, AIG, WorldCom, Tyco, et al.?

No. When it comes to Enron-style scandals: When legitimate corruption or fraud takes place, that is the proper role of government. As for bankers: We haven't had a free banking system in almost a century.

No thanks. I put my trust in a government I helped to elect, not in some faceless scumbags hellbent on crashing our economy for personal gain.

Oh, you helped elect it. Kooky democracy worshiper. The faceless scumbags who crashed our economy are the scum at the Federal Reserve, the Housing and Urban Development Department, and bureaucrats in the Bush and Clinton administrations.

Also, I love how people hate when the word bureaucrat is used when talking about the government idiots acting as the unnecessary and unethical third party, but then call someone from the insurance company a bureaucrat as well. These employees of private companies can't be a bureaucrats since these companies don't exist as charities for you to mine for your personal wants. They aren't there to serve you.

Deconstructing your childish views is rather easy and like shooting fish in a barrel.

And down goes the Kool Aid into your stomach.

Oh, you helped elect it. Kooky democracy worshiper.

Oh my. That says it all about you. I guess you want a good old-fashioned dictator or king to run this country, right?

So that makes you a fascist or royalty butt sniffer.

I'd rather place my trust in democracy any day.

Remember who started the cheap insult hurling here. Also, what happened to the ease you asserted in being able to rebuke my claims? Is all you've got ad hominems? Is that how your side wants to be known: knee-jerk reactionary and irrational?

Remember who started the cheap insult hurling here. Also, what happened to the ease you asserted in being able to rebuke my claims? Is all you've got ad hominems? Is that how your side wants to be known: knee-jerk reactionary and irrational?

You cast aspersions on people with pre-existing medical conditions as lazy chiselers sucking on the teat of "hard-working" people, and worse is the fact you present ZERO evidence that such an outlandish and ignorant claim is even remotely provable by fact.

That's not exactly rational discourse. You fling ad hominems at human beings with medical problems. I fling them at a dipshit like you who would berate such people.

So please, please, please spare us all the sanctimony about what constitutes the moral high ground.

And stop whining about being called what you really are.

They don't go without in France, Denmark, Germany, Canada, Great Britain, Sweden, and many more...

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Germany's economy kicks the US's ass. They actually build things and usually lead the world in exports, though they often come in a close second to China some years. The German people's standard of living, public health, and general welfare greatly exceeds the US. Are they perfect? Not by any accord. But their social welfare system isn't causing economic collapse either as you nitwit Libertarians try to attest.

Once again, your silly argument falls flat.

The unfortunate and unavoidable fact is that in the final analysis, some people are simply going to have to go without.

My above comment was in response to this.

I'd like to add: SAYS WHO? You?

I disagree with this statement and I'm willing to prove it merely by pointing out where socialized health care does, in fact, cover everyone.

What an idiot.

Grow up, please. And come back when you have arguments that don't reek so horridly of stupidity.

Between my employer and I, we pay $1256.59 per month for health/dental insurance coverage and copays (and dental coverage is shitty). That covers my wife, one daughter, and me. My daughter will be dropped from coverage this summer, but for now she’s supposedly “covered”. Her doctor recommended that she get the new Gardasil series of shots. She is a student in Ohio, but got the first of the three scheduled shots at home (in Texas) and it was covered. Then we were informed that she would have to get all three shots in Texas because our “health-care provider” doesn’t operate in Ohio – so rather than paying the travel expenses and suffer the disruption of her studies, we ended up having to eat the $200 per shot cost for the 2nd and 3rd shots in the series. A student in the university where I work had very much the same predicament; he was covered by his parent’s insurance in Massachusetts and, in order to get a procedure on his throat performed, he had to wait for months until he could disrupt his graduate work to fly back to Massachusetts (and pay the travel costs) to get the procedure done. His parents and I pay medical insurance costs that exceed those of any citizens of any other country in the world, and yet I’ve never heard of any comparable level of bullshit and inconvenience caused by the DMV or the post office – both of which, in my experience, operate with vastly more efficiency and vastly less avariciousness than our private health insurance gauntlet.

I know I should comport myself and stick to logic and reason here on OGM, but holy fuck, where do these little assholes like this come from, and why should I be the least bit civil with someone so disgusting and repugnant?

Go Matt Go. Just don't lose any sleep over the troll.

Amen, but you cant argue with republicans or conservatives tho so dont even bother, they would happily let corporations take over our country with no fight at all as long as the lazy blacks dont get welfare... they are the dumbest people alive, seriously, or the most brainwashed... or both

Saying that health care is an infinite resource and therefore some people will be excluded makes little sense. You could say the same about police and fire protection, at least you could if you also didn't want to make much sense.

This entire anti-government argument is wrong and has been since the day it was born (the mother is probably Milton Freidman). The social democracies of Europe have shown us (for any who are willing to open their eyes and take a look) that the government can work extremely well at providing services for citizens. Who is the government? We are the government, you fucking teabag morons. Just wait until we have ceded all of our rights and power to the private sector and see how much of a voice the average citizen will have.

i would like to say that i'm a proud member of the 1gm establishment, but i'm not, i'm just a (prolific) troll. but if i WERE a member of this "establishment", i would be proud to call red7, mat and leftbanker my friends in this particular argument. well done gentlemen.

still, mat and leftbanker, you COULD cut the guy a little slack just because he's not being gratuitously nasty and presents his (wrong wrong wrong) ideas reasonably clearly. i mean, you don't have to be QUITE so vicious. athough you're both very good at it.-

the peanut gallery

pedantsareus also got in a good lick there, btw. it was just so civilized-sounding i almost missed it in the general hullabaloo.

(this blog is really great sometimes).

I called him a troll because he was not responding to most of the counter points that were made. I don't think that everyone with a differing opinion a troll, just those that refuse to engage in real debate. They are commenting strictly to present their point of view without critical discussion.

Some people do this because they are enjoying making people angy, others do it because they don't think critically about their view.

I recognize, Mr. Becker, that my style seems rather harsh, vicious, and ruthless...

But...

I AM a ruthless and unrelenting prick. I don't consider banter with stupid trolls to be worthy of civility, especially when said troll express such repugnant views as this particular dipshit did.

If I were in the company of intellectual peers having an academic discussion, I'd be very civil. In the filthy cesspool of Internet blog comments threads, I feel no need to pull punches with dipshits who seem to get their jollies stirring up shit for the sheer pleasure of such a pathetic and creepy act.

I mean, this dipshit just taunted me somwhere above for believing in democracy. What alternative he believes to democracy matters very little after expressing such a ridiculous notion that democracy is "kooky."

Maybe such a lunatic as this longs for the days of totalitarian rule by a one-sided ideological junta.

That, to me, is dipshit thinking. Hence, I call such a dipshit what he (or she) is: a dipshit.

oh, and i forgot tim,and, oh, just everyone, everyone, and i'd like to thank the acadamy...

There are two ideas being confused here that I don't understand. One is a genuine interest in the well-being of others. The other is the obligation imposed on insurance companies to act as charities. Why do you think you are entitled to someone's thought and labor? Why?

Why do you think you are entitled to someone's thought and labor? Why?

Because we pay for it?

What right do insurance companies have the right to deny us a service we have already paid for?

What part of, single payer being cheaper, saving lives and generally being a better reviewed system do you not get?

If you really want a pay to play world, than why don't we deny the poor the right to have police and fire coverage?

I'm talking about those who don't pay.

I would just like to thank JB for his kind appreciation, and to make the point that blullite did not seem to answer my question.

I don't know if they even feel they deserve it.

I know I feel they should have preventative care since we will be morally obliged to give them emergency care.

There are two ideas being confused here that I don't understand. One is a genuine interest in the well-being of others. The other is the obligation imposed on insurance companies to act as charities. Why do you think you are entitled to someone's thought and labor? Why?

That's easy for me to answer. Firstly, I don't think health coverage for citizens should be a for-profit industry. The simple reason is that for-profit health insurance companies are more profitable when they deny health care to people. How can a for-profit have a genuine interest in the well-being of others by denying them health care? That vile truth in itself is enough to rid ourselves of such a perverted system.

I believe in a single-payer, not-for-profit, government-regulated health coverage system. It covers every citizen regardless of means and has proven to be very successful in maintaining a high standard of public health in several industrialized nations.

What I find so hilarious about right-wingers and libertarians is their continual denial that socialized medicine works. We have several different working models in European countries where it works just fine and these countries have a vastly superior public health than the US, and their health care systems greatly exceed the performance of the US industry, and likewise their systems are much, much cheaper.

So what do you call someone who ignores facts and proof that easily debunk his or her ideas? We call that a fanatic.

The three biggest problems in our health care system in the US are: 1) the for-profit health insurance providers are total scum and need to be torched with extreme prejudice; 2) far too many citizens--most who work and pay taxes--have no affordable coverage; 3) the rapidly, uncontrollable costs of health care in the US will drive our economy into the ground in the near future.

So, bluliite, unless you want to grow up and discuss those three REAL problems instead of spewing out your anti-democratic, Social Darwinist, "holier-than-thou over the poor and disadvantaged" horseshit, then your childish libertarian ideas are just more of the problem, not the solution.

The more you ignore the substantive facts that PROVE several of the European socialized medicine systems do indeed work, and any of them WOULD work in the US, the more it's obvious you believe in your ideology with a fanatical disregard for truth and worship it as a religion, with religious certainly born out of extreme stupidity, childish impudence, and intellectual myopia.

I would like you to stop bashing the very system that gave you these things that you want the government to take over.

We are not bashing the whole system, just its ability to berform a specific function, I don't think that capitalism actually gives away anything.

I think there should be free markets, and I also think there should be govt services, and taxes and regulations. The question at hand, is where healthcare should be. A reasoned review of healthcares administration in other countries illustrates how it can be done in a cheaper, accomplish more life saving, and be less burdensome on employers way.

From what I have observed of the opposition to health care reform it seems like the biggest concern of the hillbillies and teabaggers is that some poor person will get medical service for free. Another thing that makes these people go ballistic is any talk of taking measures to undo the grotesque income disparities in America since Reagan lowered taxes for the richest few. Why middle class and lower conservatives go apeshit over this is beyond my comprehension. We have already lived through eras in which a few wealthy people ruled and we didn’t like it much.

There is already talk emanating from the hicks about revolution so I wouldn’t be surprised to see their rhetoric soon turn to violence.

Why middle class and lower conservatives go apeshit over this is beyond my comprehension.

Propaganda and fear fed to them by Foreign owned corporate media, like FOX.

There is already talk emanating from the hicks about revolution so I wouldn’t be surprised to see their rhetoric soon turn to violence.

This turned to violence about a year back. Someone flew a plane into a building for goodness sakes.

This turned to violence about a year back. Someone flew a plane into a building for goodness sakes.

Actually, that happened a couple of months ago.

Yeah, But there have been a series of right wing violent offenders over the last year. Several shootings that are inspired but not organized by the right wing spin machine.

From what I have observed of the opposition to health care reform it seems like the biggest concern of the hillbillies and teabaggers is that some poor person will get medical service for free. Another thing that makes these people go ballistic is any talk of taking measures to undo the grotesque income disparities in America since Reagan lowered taxes for the richest few. Why middle class and lower conservatives go apeshit over this is beyond my comprehension.

In my opinion, this is the #1 achievement of Murdoch and his ilk: saturation propaganda to continuously reinforce the resentment Reagan was so good at tapping - hatred of FREELOADERS! I think it works because most middle class and lower class working people do in fact personally know a couple of freeloaders. When my wife worked as a nurse's aide when I was a student, there was a guy we knew who didn't work because he had a "disability" (a bad back) that prevented him as working as a UPS driver but didn't prevent him from from bagging big bucks when dear hunting and dragging them back to his garage to fill his freezer full of venison. The genius of the right wing resentment machine is that it virtually never gives voice to stories about multimillionaire insurance executives who blatantly flaunt their intention to continue cheating their customers out of rightful insurance claims - from the penny-ante stuff like my stories above to the phony "pre-existing condition" scams that will literally kill cancer patients. These are "freeloading parasites" who steal thousands of times more money than a 'crack-addict' archetype who fires the imagination of right-wing loonies, but the loonies seem to blissfully ignore such chiseling sociopaths or even invent rationalizations to defend them.

These are "freeloading parasites" who steal thousands of times more money than a 'crack-addict' archetype who fires the imagination of right-wing loonies, but the loonies seem to blissfully ignore such chiseling sociopaths or even invent rationalizations to defend them.

Exactly right Tim. It drives me crazy when they talk about the inefficiencies of government because of lazy empoloyees or the "No-Show" employees that used to be common and still do exist (at least in the south and some big cities).

Do you realize how many salaries you could pay with one of the wall street bonuses or one insurance executive? its absurd. Business isn't more efficient than government by any measure.

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