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The Family in Uganda

Our old friends are back and more despicable than ever. One has to struggle to imagine an example that would better illustrate the terrible impact religion can have in government. (Ok, maybe this was in V for Vendetta)

NPR reported early in November on the new laws that increased the punishment for those being found to be homosexual. It also punishes those that do not turn in known homosexuals.

What they're just doing now is to make it more harsh on people and you see that is being unconstitutional, anyone promoting homosexuality is being criminalized now. If a teacher knows that children, the student is gay or lesbian, he doesn't report within 24 hours, the teacher is also going to be convicted.

While that is frightening enough, the bill does more than just that. It goes so far as to sentence some gays and lesbians to death. That's right, death. Blogs have been breaking the story.

Under current Ugandan law, homosexuality is a crime punishable by life in prison. The proposed law would not just condemn HIV positive gay men and "repeat offenders" to death, it would also jail for three years anyone who knows a gay man but refuses to report them to authorities.

So who is behind this bill? Well the author of the bill is also the founder of Uganda's national prayer breakfast. Just like the National prayer breakfast here in the USA. The breakfast sponsored by the family. These are same people sponsoring the breakfast in Uganda.

We reviewed a lot of the history of who the family is in a forum post last summer.

The long and short is... They are Born Again Christians that see it as their mission to build an army for Jesus so that he can return. They have pushed to increase the evangelical Christian Chaplains in the US Army. They have strived to recruit national elected officials to join their ranks. They have used those Chaplains and those leaders to try to frame the wars in the middle east as a war between religions, a holy war.

Rachel Maddow had a good report on this featuring Jeff Sharlet.

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Thanks Hanna



thanks, I think that was actually the story that brought this issue to the forefront. Always make someone famous deny it.

Rachel Maddow is on this tonight: U.S. Ties to Ugandan anti-gay bill

this thing is obviously fucking insane. but what's more insane is you pinko lefty atheists mostly ignoring this sort of things in arab countries for hundreds of years, just because the "enemy of your enemy (israel) is your friend.

-just trollin'

Israel is more a friend of a friend. But, we are not in the business of endorsing religious states.

a friend of which friend? and where do you get the idea israel is a "religious state"? we have problems with separation of "synygogue and state" just like you do, but it's a long way from that to "religious state".

look, this uganda thing- it's islam, get it? it's nothing new. it's the same shit that happens in every islamic state, and it's been happening for a long, long time. why get your panties in a twist over uganda? iran has been hanging faries since 1979 and you make hardly a peep. why? i'll tell you. because israel is the great oppressor, and anyone against israel is ok by you. not you personally, red, but "you" pinko/commie/leftie/progressive fucking armchair scum.

still trollin'.

Because we don't usually have American right wing Christians promoting death to gays laws in foreign countries. That's what makes this a special case.

JB, you might want to actually read some of the coverage. Those sponsoring the bill are christian, not the Islamic boogie man.

The Islamic states that do all the same terrible things are just as evil and really it is their evil that has inspired the "pinko/commie/leftie/progressive fucking armchair scum" to speak out about the evils of religion across the spectrum. Honor killings and FGM are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the social evil done in the name of that religion.

That said, like I said we don't endorse religious states and we we don't take sides in holy wars. The conflict of Israel vs Palestine is a complicated conflict that I see as mostly religious on both sides. But the idea that because Islam has so many radical repressive conservatives, therefore Israel can do no wrong in a conflict with a Muslim population is complete bull.

you know i don't mind apologizing, but i hate apologizing for like really huge and obvious blunders and i'm afraid i've made one here. i didn't realize uganda was 84% christian, as a simple trip to wiki would have shown me. my bad. i feel like a complete idiot, if this gives you joy.

my point about israel vs. the "progressives" still stands, but without me to defend it. i'm too busy cowering behind my own dumbness.

It's the internet. This happens all the time.

So you don't believe that Israel is a Jewish homeland?

Jewish (aka a religion) Homeland (aka a state)

judaism is not a religion and a homeland is not a state.

Israel as a state, is defined by a great many, by the characteristic of it having a majority Jewish population.

In other words, there is an ethnic/religious purity test.

Fresh Air also had an interview with Jeff Sharlet:

He mentions The Family's connection to Uganda in that interview as well.

My future governor and C-Street member, Sam Brownback has made numerous trips to Uganda. He had been quite concerned about the loss of life in the civil war. It makes me wonder if that was just a stepping stone to motivate the government to start killing off the gays.

No surprise he isn't speaking out about this latest Ugandan atrocity.

Do what you can to make sure he answers that question Doug.


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