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Workers of the world, unite!

Oh boy. The pendulum is swinging from one extreme to the other. From Bush's fascism to Obama's socialism. Neither man knows what makes America great, or if they do choose to willfully ignore it. Is someone listening?

Interesting response. I don't know about this bill and a quick read of it didn't really clarify it for me but...and, I'm not sure how this all fits into what you are talking about but, I'm curious - what do you think makes America great and what is "Obama's socialism" doing to change that?

jillbryant is curious about what made America great i my opinion. I could give a lecture or I could give a link. I prefer the link, yet the link will not provide all the answers, but it is a good place to start.

The book is called Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. He wrote the book in 1946, yet it is remarkably current. I would be surprised though, if anyone today even knows who he is. I find that sad, but that is just me. Here is the link to the book to read for free, if you ever have time to read it:

http://jim.com/econ/

He's a libertarian.

Thanks, I'm also curious about the second half - about "Obama's socialism"...

Obama's socialism, well in this case that is just a response to the Corporatist polices of Bush. Bush passed unpopular economic policies in the name of 'free markets'. He was being incredibly Orwellian.

Obama is trying to (successfully) pass popular economic policies in the name of the people who voted him in. That is pretty much the beginning of socialism. And with all the money pumped in, he can go far along that track.

I have nothing personally against Obama ,though. I am sure he thinks he is doing good and I have no doubt he has good intentions. Ideally he should do nothing, but we live in a world where people easily confuse busy work with productive work.

Obama is trying to (successfully) pass popular economic policies in the name of the people who voted him in. That is pretty much the beginning of socialism.

This is simply a false argument: the Bush tax cuts were popular economic policy in the name of the people who voted him in - is that "pretty much the beginning of socialism?"

It seems to me you're walking away from your claim rather quickly, AN: "pretty much the beginning of..." means whatever follows hasn't actually started yet - and given the non-sequitur weakness of your argument to date, it's not going to happen - at least, not in the way you tell us you think it would, if at all.

If you want to see extremism in action, look at what's happening to the GOP.

'it's not going to happen - at least, not in the way you tell us you think it would, if at all.'

You will know soon enough.

I still don't get where someone is forgetting what made America great. As far as I can tell, you are pointing to an untested model that is not used in America.

I get a very "Ann Raynd" feeling from that Henry Hazlitt guy.

What a strange comment from AN. Obama is no socialist.

Don't be fooled by the labels.

Don't be labeled by fools.

thaddeusphoenix,

I do not know what the '"Ann Raynd" feeling' is because I have not read Ann Raynd or Ayn Rand or Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum or whatever her name is.

If Henry Hazlitt gives you that feeling, that is because there is some overlap in their ideas. But Hazlitt was not a philosopher or a novelist but a good journalist.

As for whether it is a case of being fooled by labels or being labeled by fools, you will find out soon one way or the other. There are not too many things Obama can do, but whatever they are, I am sure that it will be very popular at the time, the repercussions will only be faced long after he has left office. Mark my words.

There are not too many things Obama can do, but whatever they are, I am sure that it will be very popular at the time, the repercussions will only be faced long after he has left office. Mark my words.

All actions will have repercussions long after he leaves office. That's the nature of taking action (or not taking action.)

The "Ann Rynd" feeling is that of 'it's so obvious' arguments. That there is a magic formula for social and economic behavior. In short, his arguments seem to clean to be true, but then again, I'm no economist...

thaddeusphoenix,

You are right all actions (and in-actions) have far reaching implications. The reason I was stressing on that here was because for democratically elected politicians it is imperative only to think in terms of actions and consequences in terms of election cycles. In the case of the US president, eighth years max. That is how long they need to keep us happy. After that it is someone else's problem. Which means they can leave problems for their successors and that is what they often do. We know for sure Bush did it.

Ordinary people like you and me have a life expectancy of 80 years. We mustn't rely on them too much to solve our life problems. Sure we can count on them for sure to solve their own problems during their term in office.

As for Henry Hazlitt being too clean to be true. You could be right there. It is best not to jump into things. Skepticism is always a good friend. The worse you will be left with is the status-quo that you are already in.

Thanks for the exchange. I enjoyed it!

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funny how the creator of this video (Employee Free Choice Act) uses scare tactics as bait to draw attention to and then condemn the scare tactics used by his opponents.

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They came across to me more as mock scare tactics.

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unfortunately the video doesn't really dispel any of the concerns or show how they are without basis. I'm unfamiliar with the details of the bill, but after watching this and seeing all the outspoken criticism, I feel like something but be wrong with it. So this vid only severed as a platform for the critics in my opinion.

I'm a small business owner and an employer.

OK someone explain what this act is??? certainly the video did not help.

I know i could google,, but i am busy and am leaving for work in 10 minutes.

a summary, try to maximize facts?

From the LOC you can link away.

And from Wikipedia for your quick links.

It has to do with unions in the work place, the ability to sign on to one, and representation of employees as determined by the employees (as opposed to the boss).

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