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RE: Educated Catholics.

That made me laugh and disgusted at the same time. And I thought catholics couldn't come up with stupider justifications for their bullshit. And I've heard plenty of them too, in my catholic years.

I can attest though that education, especially scientific education corrodes religion (I know, a "duh" statement). In my case, as soon as I was gripped by Hawking's writing as an older teenager, I never let religion get in the way of reality.

RE: Educated Catholics.

I agree, that was one of the funniest things I've read in a non-satire article in a long time.

Reminded me of a great passage in "Prodigals" which is a book I received from Billy Graham's mailing list:

"God Gave His Children Freedom of Choice"

"Dad, I'm not at all sure I can follow you in your simple Christian faith." stated the clergyman's son when he returned from the university for the holidays with a fledgling scholar's assured arrogance." The father's black eyes skewered his young son who was "lost" as C.S. Lewis put it, "in the invincible ignorance of his intellect." "Son," the father said, "this is your freedom. Your terrible freedom."

Damn you smart people! You think you know more than we do just because you know stuff we don't!

haw. yes. this quote in particular is revealing:

"Taken together, these intellectual trends have resulted in a fragmented society that marginalizes God, with many people mistakenly thinking they can live happy and productive lives without him."

what an unqualified heap of horse shit. 1st, if there's a "God" in the sense of a higher all knowing all powerful being, then we are not without it (or "Him" as the boy-molesting cult would call said being) at any time, from birth to death. 2nd, i live a happy life, without subjecting myself to psychobabble from said boy molesting cult or anything remotely like it. i don't have a secret closeted sexuality, i don't emotionally abuse people by telling them their souls will be damned if they think differently from me, i take responsibility for my actions rather than confess a stack of sins each sunday before starting anew with boy rape and inquisitions, nor do i labor to pass laws denying rights to my gay neighbors, no, i know that actions have consequences in this life so i'm nice to people, dammit. and that generally makes me happy.

ramen.

Catholics have always used this justification for being stupid. It's not only catholics though, most dimwitted theists grumble at education, because the dude is right, it encourages people to be skeptical.

What I find amazing is this still works, that people will read this column and nod in agreement.

"What we have witnessed in Western societies since the end of the Second World War is the development of mass education on a scale unprecedented in human history - resulting in economic growth, scientific and technological advances, and the cultural and social enrichment of billions of people's lives," he said.

"However, every human endeavor has a dark side, due to original sin and concupiscence. In the case of education, we can see its distortion through the widespread dissemination of radical scepticism, positivism, utilitarianism and relativism.

Plus the above quotation. I mean, Jeez!

If people would just limit their learning, then all would be well in the world, no?

At least Nicholas Lash seems to have some clout, so maybe his concern will be taken more seriously than O'Brien (name right)?

Then go back and read the philosophy article and sit on those 4 questions for awhile. Damn that Fred! He saw me reading and the bishop's writing and all before I was a twinkle in my Dad's eyes...

er, sorry - O'Donohue...gotta get the stereotype names outta my head.

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