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McCain Defends Obama, Palin Guilty

This may well be the end of McCain's chances. Not only did he end up defending Obama his VP is found guilty of abusing power in the trooper-gate scandal.

A legislative committee investigating Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice presidential candidate, issued a report Friday night that found she unlawfully abused her authority by firing the state’s public safety commissioner.




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McCain again shows class, MSNBC again proudly shows bias, and an empty-shirt demagogue takes another step towards the presidency. Let's all celebrate!

Incidentally, it's interesting how this panel found Palin both guilty and not guilty:

The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor.

Yeah, that's real damning. And there's obviously no political motivation behind this kangaroo-court 'investigation' or the timing of the announcement.

To even the scales, here's another classic video about your stuffed shirt nominee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPG25Wf0aa4

Party over country, right?

McCain finally shows class,

I fixed your mistake for ya.

It was good to see that he finally came out corrected a questioner. However this is not showing class, this is trying to shove water out of a sinking boat.

"Yeah, that's real damning. And there's obviously no political motivation behind this kangaroo-court 'investigation' or the timing of the announcement."

This statement is simply ignorance. This investigation was scheduled before she was even picked to be V.P. As a matter of fact, the original report was scheduled to be released Oct. 31st, which if this came out then, it would have been much worse. There would not have been time spin it, change the subject, and forget it.

As far as the report goes, it seems like it treated the evidence fairly. There was enough evidence to show that she was abusing her power, but there was also enough evidence to show that when she finally did fire the guy, there were budget issues.

I don't really think this will be a big deal but it certainly can't be helpful.

McCain selected Palin on August 29th. Palin dismissed

And there's obviously no political motivation behind this kangaroo-court 'investigation' or the timing of the announcement.

The report, which was commissioned and released by a bipartisan state legislative panel made up of 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats. Palin fired Monegan on July 11, and the investigation of the firing was well underway before McCain Palin was chosen as McCain's VP candidate. The timing was only lousy because McCain decised on Palin as a ploy meant to energize the conservative base, not because she was qualified for the job - and she hadn't been vetted much at all - obviously.

Calli thinks republicans are Kangaroos?

Calli, please explain to us how the unanimous vote of a 72% Republican Panel is somehow a Democrat plot?

I don't think the firing is a big deal, honestly. The trooper in question was a dick and should have been fired. But this won;t go well for the republicans.

I suppose Palin should have been vetted better, as in, they should have seen this coming and prepped for it, hell, ADMITTED it as a fight for public safety.

frankly, that they did not shows that they aren't a good team to lead. *8(

What world do you live in?

Don't you understand that how dangerous it is for people to thing he is a terrorist?

Don't you understand how scary this is?

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The only reason McCain defended Obama was because of the recent pressure from the media. Too bad he's a little too late for it to be believable. Pander, pander, pander...

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Anybody defending Palin at this point has a screw missing. As far as this "Country First" crap that the McCain ticket keeps spewing, if Palin thinks our country should come first, why is she married to someone who was a member of the Alaska Independence Party who wants to separate from the U.S? Why did she contribute to their convention. Go to their web site and read it for yourself. Country first...yeah whatever.

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calligraph,

I knew the right-wing would spin it that way. Not only is it a smear campaign but it's a smear campaign which at some point McCain can "correct" and then "look" like the "good guy" that he claims to be. all you people above you failed to acknowlege the strategic appearance of decency in McCain are missing the point: the McCain campaign thinks that since he's white enough and familiar-seeming enough that America will give him 10 chances to fail. I think we're on chance #8 right now.

Yes, McCain FINALLY shows class...and good for him! I have developed some new found respect for the man for at least correct these people who are only acting out on the misinformation they have been feed. You know when I watched one of his campaigns earlier this week as a man in the croud yelled out "Terrorist" and "Kill Him" in refrence to Obama, all McCain did was smile like a moron at it. I wonder if he even heard those hateful remarks as they were being yelled out? He does choose the strangest times to break out a smile, I have to say.

In all fairness, McCain reacted with a big, disapproving frown to the "kill him!" shout. Not a smile. On the other hand, he didn't have him arrested by the Secret Service, which is the least he should've done.

mav·er·ick NOUN: 1. An unbranded range animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother, traditionally considered the property of the first person who brands it.

Source: American Heritage Dictionary

http://www.bartleby.com/61/4/M0160400.html

LOL I had to look that one up... and it's TRUE!

Ray LaHood is the one who showed some class. McCain is backing off because his people are reading the polls (like this one at Newsweek and this .pdf file from "http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/101008_foxpoll.pdf">Fox), and they're telling him that his tactics are backfiring. LaHood is right; people don't like it.

I'm gonna nitpick here and object to the obfuscation of the words 'Arab' and 'Muslim'.

When McCain is speaking, he says "He is not an Arab." Also the words "McCain: Obama not Arab." scrolling across the screen during the news segments.

But when the commentator speaks, he uses the word 'Muslim'. And says to the guest, "Obama is not a Muslim."

A part of me wonders if this was also a political calculation to see if the Republican base can still hold on to those who base their votes solely on their hatred for either Muslims or Arabs.

The woman who asked the second question called him an Arab. That's what McCain responded to.

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I completely agree with this statment. It is so disgusting to see the ignorant, hatefilled comments that McCain supporters spew. McCain and his sicko V.P. nominee are pandering to the most dangerous group in this country.

What next? McCain-Palin rallies at skin-head, nazi groups?!

These McCain supporters who are saying such ignorant, hateful things are an absolute disgrace to our country. I am embarrassed to call them my countrymen. We have worked so hard, as a nation, to move beyond hate and racism and toward an environment where we can include EVERYONE in living up to our great potential.
It is truly a sad day when ignorant, narrow-minded right wingers try to drag us backwards.

"The investigative report concludes that a family grudge wasn't the sole reason for firing Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan but says it likely was a contributing factor. Yeah, that's real damning. And there's obviously no political motivation behind this kangaroo-court 'investigation' or the timing of the announcement."

No, that's not obvious at all. Most of the members of the investigative committee were Republicans. And Palin is wildly popular in her state. And the investigation started before she was picked as VP. In fact the investigation was widely cited by many people as the reason she wouldn't be picked for VP. But McCain didn't vet her, and then had to try to intimidate a legislative investigation when they woke up the morning after and found themselves with a VP nominee who had serious ethics problems. No, it doesn't seem like it's politically motivated at all.

There were other reasons for firing Monegan! Besides, that is, a family dispute that the Palins were obsessed with. Just like Duke Cunningham, who actually kind of liked some of the bills he was bribed to vote for. Corruption wasn't the only reason for some of Palin's biggest decisions and governor. What a relief.

What's the difference between McCain rallies and lynch mobs? Lipstick? Pigs? I don't know; I can't tell them apart. I don't know about anyone else here but I don't want to grow up in an America that has as one of its citizens the mouth-breathing retard in the video who was wondering what the country would be like for his son with Obama as president.

I can't wait to have a non-moron as my president.

What's the difference between McCain rallies and lynch mobs? Lipstick? Pigs? I don't know; I can't tell them apart. I don't know about anyone else here but I don't want to grow up in an America that has as one of its citizens the mouth-breathing retard in the video who was wondering what the country would be like for his son with Obama as president.

I can't wait to have a non-moron as my president.

Oops. My bootleg internet connection is shit today. That comment wasn't really worth putting up once, let alone two times.

Leftbanker,

I hope you are kidding about the bootlegged internet. If not, I've just lost some respect for you.

I, on the other hand, cannot bring myself to care where he gets his Internet access.

I, on yet a third hand (of a polybrachiate Hindu Goddess?), think that internet access should be provided free, to all, by the government.

A) Why would you have any respect for me in the first place?

B) Why would anyone care where someone gets his/her internet signal? Are you from the Comcast police? Good luck trying to track me down in Spain. You'll never take me alive!

A) Why would you have any respect for me in the first place?

B) Why would anyone care where someone gets his/her internet signal? Are you from the Comcast police? Good luck trying to track me down in Spain. You'll never take me alive!

A bit redundant but something I put together contrasting his remarks "defending" Obama and the rhetoric of his campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbysqyPjCFQ

I have to agree with the message of this video. McCain dug his own grave. He panders to voters who cling to guns and religion :), and then needs to retreat when he gets questions from violent, illogical people. The words coming out of the mouths of these "average Joe six-packs" are the most convincing argument for Obama one could ask for.

As for the guy who is afraid to raise his unborn child in an Obama America, all I can say is "FUCK YOU!". I will be raising my child in an America which is already fucked up by our current president whom you undoubtedly voted for.

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I'm sorry, but McCain doesn't pass with this. All he needed to say was that Obama was a good, CHRISTIAN, family man to put all of this rubbish to rest. But he couldn't bring himself to say it. Look at the video again. I think you can see him weighing his words quite carefully. If anything, this tells me that at times he can be just as slyly calculating as his partner on the ticket. Sorry, there no respect for this sort of thing from me.

I think McCain is basically a good person and he knows this sort of stuff is wrong. It is simply pathetic that he has to sit there and reaffirm that Obama is a "decent person" while his supporters boo him. Pathetic. I feel sorry for him. He is a feeble man who has gotten himself into something too big for him to try and do it "his way".

So the opposite of "decent person" is "Arab?"

I noticed that, too. You just had to think he was going for a big, paragraph description that started with a list of adjectives about Obama...I think he was really rattled so I thought he probably shouldn't be dinged for his attempt at dignity for both of them....

I think McCain and Palin are deliberately trying to get some unhinged supporter to assassinate Obama, and are just trying now to create some "plausible deniability" as to their own culpability.

"I think McCain is basically a good person and he knows this sort of stuff is wrong. It is simply pathetic that he has to sit there and reaffirm that Obama is a "decent person" while his supporters boo him. Pathetic. I feel sorry for him. He is a feeble man who has gotten himself into something too big for him to try and do it "his way"."

I agree. The more I look at his record I think he'd really be a bad president, but he can be an appealing political figure. But I don't think he's feeble at all; the problem is that he's hitched his saddle to an ugly beast, the conservative movement in America. He's probably hating the fact that he didn't pick Lieberman. He's probably thinking to himself that he's going to lose badly, not in spite of caving in to the right wing but because of caving to the right wing. Better to lose with Lieberman than go down like this. Oh man that's a ticket that would really look like two old guys.

I bet McSame is wishing he would of pick Mitt Romney instead of this venom spewing, lying witch.

This is the best analysis. A McCain supporter asked him when he would take the gloves off in his opposition to Obama. So, McCain went down the slippery slope and now he sees 1st hand what it breeds.

Remember South Carolina, John? It was fugly, but not as bad as this. People are still concerned about terrorism and YOU let this fester. You want to be the national security man -in this era of war against terrorism - and YOU let this rumor spread. If Obama is killed you know that in at least some way, YOU will have contributed. You must have awakened to smell the coffee and you realize that Palin's brew is rancid.

I'm looking forward to 65% or more Obama/Biden victory and the chance that McCain will return to his 1990's self. Not my political cup of tea, but a respectable adversary that could put his slant on the issues out on the table for good debate.

"YOU let this rumor spread."

Yes, this is true to a large extent. McCain should have made a point of accepting that Obama is a Christian and decent person. But that would have been more than Hillary did. So this stuff was not some story cooked up by the McCain campaign. It was a really easy story to tell given the paranoia of many Americans, and the depravity of the covert right-wing media. And it was being told in places like Pennsylvania way before McCain was running against Obama. To demand that McCain correct the problem all himself when it wasn't his devising is a lot to ask.

Yup, Hillary started with the Obama went to a madras as a child bullshit. That was the beginning of the end of my support for her. I may have missed it though - were her supporters yelling "terrorist!" at her campaign rallies?

Gypsy- I never heard that about Hillary and the madrassa so I looked it up and it looks like it was a smear against both of them - Obama, yes, but Hillary's camp also for spreading it: from media matters Looks like it came from Insight magazine which was (now defunct you can see in the Wikipedia entry) owned by Washington Times Moonie people - there is a little blurb on the controversy. Very evilly clever of them to spread a rumor about one and attribute it to the other.

Ah - thanks for this. I had seen the famous "as far as I know" clip and that did hurt Hillary. Here's a clip that allows more context. Here is the media matters retort to all of this, including the Bob Herbert article in the NYT.

Unfortunately, the "as far as I know" phrase followed Clinton around. The end line for me on HRC was actually the Grinnell town hall meeting, though.

Such is life; I caucused for Edwards. I'm pretty happy with Obama. He's definitely shown leadership ability throughout his campaign. I am looking forward to more during his presidency.

The media matters link again. Let's hope this one works.

Damn, I hope that this is the end of any chance of McCain winning the General Election.

Rasmussen Report

This is the sixteenth straight day that Obama’s support has ranged from 50% to 52% while McCain has been at 44% of 45%

Gallup Poll

Obama has led McCain by close to 10 points for each of the past six days, and by a statistically significant margin of at least four points for more than two weeks. It has been a full month since McCain held a significant lead over Obama,

I'm feeling cautiously optimistic and hoping that the politics of hate by the majority of Americans has finally seen its last days.

But that would have been more than Hillary did

True. HIllary Clinton also attempted to paint Obama as being unAmerican and "not one of us". It didn't work with Hillary Clinton and now it does not seem to be working with John McCain. This is a moment in the history of the U.S. that I have been waiting for all of my life.

My first post to this excellent website!

The link to the full report (CNN hosted) is at http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/11/download.pdf

In general, the report finds two things: 1) Sarah Palin was not out of line for the firing of the Public Safety Commisioner (Walt Monegan). 2) Sarah Palin did break the law by taking advantage of her political office for personal "interest", althought as the report states, the statute is a little vague here.

Overall, an interesting read. It is not as polished as Federal reports, but it gets to the salient points and states them fairly well.

Several other interesting points: 1) A number of people subpeonaed did not respond. 2) The influence of her husband, Todd, is very evident. As one witness stated, he is at the offices of the govenor about 50% of the time, and used the facilties of the office while persuing this personal agenda. 3) In my opinion, the deciding factor in the firing of the Director of Public Safety was an accident: He (Monegan) brought a picture of an officer to the governor to sign for use in a recruiting drive for new officers. The picture had been picked by a different group, and Monegan was unaware that he was asking the governor to sign a recruiting picture of Tom Wooten, the person the Palins has wanted fired. Given the Palins statements many times before that Office Wooten was not an example of how a state trooper should behave, this mistake was probably not humorously intepreted. 4) The bitterness of the divorce between Palins sister Molly and Michael Wooten was readily apparent to the judge, who made some interesting remarks in his ruling. 5) Lastly, although Walt Monegan is faulted by several people in his job, it appears that he did an excellent job of actually obeying the law during this process. It is nice to see a top law offical actually concerned about the laws he was tasked with enforcing.

In the end, I must say that this report gave an disturbing insight into the woman who would be vice-king.

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I hope these are not average americans

I don't know JoAnn, its not like its a new era of decency.

It's just the beginning of the search for the next sleazy tactic.

Hidalgos:

I can't believe how naive you all are. I could provide links, too numerous to bother with here, about zero-point gravity, the Phoenix lights, etc., but instead, I will briefly summarize the facts. What the democrats need to do is hit back, hit back hard. For a start, "John" McCain is a space alien. Fact. And Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin WAS born yesterday, which explains a lot. She was manufactured off planet and dropped onto the plains of Mongolia from the Mother ship. From whence she made her way to Alaska. With "John," she wants to put (our) country first, first in their cannibal cook book, "To Serve Man". Next he's off to Chile. And she's going to Grease.

"the next sleazy tack..."?

This is de ja vu. I remember Tricky Dicky (Noxious Nixon) used to plant a hyper-racist in his townhalls, so he could appear moderate and measured in comparison. Good (g)old (Lee At)water is jammin' away up on the stairway, hammering out 1.22474...

I hear a bitter voice callin', way up from heaven on high...

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