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He seem genuinely angry and pissed off towards the end of the segment... Can't blame him though, I would if I were an American too...

This reminds me I need to stock up on ammo and canned goods after work today.

And if you have the land- plant some fruit. You'll need your vitamin C come the Civil War 2.0

Didn't Obama first call McCain and say they should work together on this and make it a non-partisan issue? Maybe I have that wrong.

Didn't Obama first call McCain

yes

Didn't Obama first call McCain

No.

Or, at least, there is no proof of any such thing. The claim stems from a statement emailed to reporters by Obama spokesman Bill Burton:

At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama’s call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.

Given that Burton later completely misquoted Rep. Roy Blunt to attempt to frame McCain for killing a bill everyone else loved, one has to wonder about the veracity of this statement.

In other news, isn't anybody else concerned that Obama shill Gwen Ifill is moderating the VP debate, even after many complaints regarding her partisanship, even after breaking her ankle yesterday?

even after breaking her ankle yesterday?

You've Seen debates, right? Like, actually watched one?

I don't believe moderating a debate requires any sort of physical fitness test or a 4-minute mile. Maybe I just don't pay close enough attention. Perhaps that is what CNN is airing before the debate.. Maybe I should tune in.

Given that Burton later completely misquoted Rep. Roy Blunt

Did Sen. McCain's party say the statement wasn't true?

In other news, isn't anybody else concerned that Obama shill Gwen Ifill is moderating the VP debate, even after many complaints regarding her partisanship, even after breaking her ankle yesterday?
I don't see what her ankle has to do with it but I wouldn't like an obviously partisan moderator (I didn't know she was). That said, Lehrer, Ifill and Brokaw were announced ages ago and they all had to be okayed then....why the comment now?

Sigh ... and the fact that nobody considers this terrifying, well, terrifies me.

Obama supporters cruising the streets, picking up homeless people and registering them under the new "no permanent address, no verification" Ohio voting law:

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Homeless_Ohioans_for_Obama_registering_in_droves

"If they say sign, you sign. You do what they tell you to do." "I want Barack to do his thug thizzle!"

It terrifies me more if they weren't allowed to vote. The foreclosures, some Katrina victims still don't have permanent residence, the job market sucks, if you're without health insurance? --- there but for one really serious illness without insurance go a lot of us (my friend had a kidney stone and kidney cyst removed - $47K). If anyone needs a vote...!

And, there is a long history of campaigns driving people to the voting booths - Republicans and Democrats. Are you saying they will be coerced into voting Democratic? I'd say most of them would be voting the incumbent party out no matter who it was which is why the Republicans haven't volunteered. I guarantee, the Repulicans will be helping get every old and/or bigoted Bill O'Reilly listener to the polls.

What I find terrifying is that people obviously want to disenfranchise the poor. Talk about being elitist? Where is fraud here? Fraud is helping people register and vote in a democracy?

The US has one of the lowest voter turnouts for elections in the western world, does that not embarrass you? Don't you want folks to vote? Let me repeat, how is this fraud?

I work in a skid row area (you recall, the psychiatrist), i know about the homeless. I also know about schizophrenics. It is challenging for them to vote. They do not have cars or drivers licences, they do not have heating bills or bank statements to prove their residence even when they have one, often even paying bus fair is challenging. Often voting stations have been puposely put in locations where folks without cars (ie poor minorities) have difficulty getting to.

Most of the homeless have mental illness. Schizophrenics often have difficulty with crowds and cannot tolerate standing in lines. My god man (? I am guessing) do you have no compassion for the sick? Is this what being a republican means, only alllowing "elites" to vote??

I just got a call offering to help me get registered. Finally everyone does this, people have been offering the elderly rides to the polls so they can vote for years, you realise the republicans do the same thing don't you?

I just don't get this republican obsession with voter fraud. Do you really think that a few homeless folks will make a difference? What may make a difference is the YOUNG, and middle class blacks who will likely come out in full force this election. Even my elderly folks, who have found the overseas voting thing such a pain that they don't bother, are voting this year. Why? Because my elderly white parents love Obama. They are petrified about the financial crisis. I mailed in their application, 2 more votes in Michigan.

wow, are you implying that homeless people don't tend to like republicans?

It's almost like they are pulling a stunt to get the base to vote, like a 'gay marriage' bill or something.

;)

Obama supporters cruising the streets, picking up homeless people and registering them under the new "no permanent address, no verification" Ohio voting law:

You think Homeless people shouldn't Vote?

Why should I be frightened by this.

I mean the schizophrenic folks worry me a bit, but other then that these folks need a responsive government more then anyone else.

Given that Burton later completely misquoted Rep. Roy Blunt

Proof that the man never tells the truth. Brilliant conclusion.

Obama shill Gwen Ifill Right 30 years of journalism is meaningless because as a black woman that reports on presidential politics she is writing a book about the rise of blacks in presidential politics.

Scandalous. Got debate jitters?

You think Homeless people shouldn't Vote?

I think squads of people roaming the streets, picking up unregistered voters and trucking them to the polls to vote for their candidate - I think that's more than a bit alarming. Particularly given the level of involvement of Obama-supporting ACORN (another key participant in this gigantic housing-related financial mess).

Scandalous. Got debate jitters?

Only over the impropriety of having a biased moderator.

Ifill wrote a book with the title "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama". You can watch various videos of Ifill endorsing and enthusing over Obama on YouTube. She also wrote a fluff piece on the Obama family for Essence magazine. Her advocacy couldn't be more clear.

I think squads of people roaming the streets, picking up unregistered voters and trucking them to the polls to vote for their candidate - I think that's more than a bit alarming. Particularly given the level of involvement of Obama-supporting ACORN (another key participant in this gigantic housing-related financial mess).

They are trucking them to get registered and then getting them to vote. It's not fraud, its civic engagement and I have seen republicans wheeling old folks into polling places.

Also

ACORN has never been a major player in anything. IF you left your house you would know how silly you are. They organize communities of Color on economic issues. They hardly have the power to do more then ask for help for folks that want to own their own home.

Only over the impropriety of having a biased moderator.

I am sorry you are just repeating a right wing talking point. He was vetted and aproved by both candidates and the bipartisan debate committee and has been a respected journalist for decades.

There is no reason that an African American journalist can't express some excitement at having a black candidate at the same time as she reports on issues. Writing a soft piece for a black magazine does not negate that.

Yes...for fuck's, finally. That clip should be played for every congressman individually, then as a group. I wonder how many of them really are Jewish, practicing or not.

I did some Googling:

43 members of the 110th Congress are Jewish (13 in the Senate and 30 in the house). Ergo, 92% of our esteemed politicians took a free mental health day.

Fun Fact:

Of those 43 Jews, only 3.5 of them are Republicans (half point=Lieberman).

They are trucking them to get registered and then getting them to vote. It's not fraud, its civic engagement

It's targeted civic engagement. You seem to realize that it's shady because you immediately leap to the tit-for-tat justification defense. The only problem is, one is a documented issue that is happening right now. The other is some specter that you've created out of whole cloth.

ACORN has never been a major player in anything.

I really do wonder why I even bother. You don't want to know what's going on. You want to buy an empty message of 'hope' and 'change', plug your ears, and strap the blinders on. You should do your own research on ACORN and the numerous shady dealings surrounding that organization and Obama. Here's a pictorial starting point.

I am sorry you are just repeating a right wing talking point

Labeling something with a dismissive epithet does not disprove the argumentation.

The term 'talking point' is meant to describe an idea that is not based in fact - and generally something distributed from a media campaign to support an agenda. You know, like Obama's "truth squads".

It simply does not apply here. Whether or not Ifill can be objective, the entire point is the appearance of impartiality. PBS has many other qualified members with no ties to Obama who could take point on this one. Instead, they're pretending it's not an issue.

And why? Because Ifill has already started pulling the race card. Play the race card, everyone backs off.

PBS leaked Ifill's questions!

The term 'talking point' is meant to describe an idea that is not based in fact - and generally something distributed from a media campaign to support an agenda. You know, like Obama's "truth squads".

That's not quite true. It's a PR term. You make your spokesperson a list of talking points - key points they want to remember and try to get into the discussion. If someone is launching a new iPod for example - you might want to emphasize the screen size, that the previous iPods sold one million in a year, that they are going to be launched with 300 songs, etc.

The reason you think veracity is part of this is Rove/Luntz etc. started using these and abusing them - truth was not necessary. They started sending them out all over the place - to Fox talking heads, to the Republican college teams, to the whole Republican team. And, not only was everyone emphasizing these, they were using them for misdirection, in place of the questions asked and for one level deep analysis - bumperstickers. Not only were these not necessarily truthful, not responsive to the issues at hand - there also was no point in listening to different people since they all said the same thing - no point in any people for that matter (just send the list around).

Instead, they're pretending [Ifill's moderating is] not an issue.

I think they're "pretending" that because Ifill is great and it would not be an issue for her. (Have you seen her?) That said, I would probably want her pulled if the position were reversed.

And why? Because Ifill has already started pulling the race card. Play the race card, everyone backs off.
Really? I'm surprised. What did she say?

It's targeted

Do you have a point?

PBS has many other qualified members with no ties to Obama

Ifil has no link to Obama. A personal interest piece and his name as part of a book on blacks in politics is not a "link".

She was chosen in part because the committee felt they couldn't have 4 debates administered by white men when a woman and a black man are running. And she is a well regarded journalist that has reported on R and D whitehouses for decades.

The term 'talking point'

Here is a clue Cal

Moderators don't become biased suddenly 24 hours before debates. Campaigns hit panic mode. Everything you say about Ifil was true weeks ago when she was approved by McCain. So either McCain's campaign is incompetent or they are panicking and spinning.

And sending out "talking points" things you want people to repeat until they are believed.

Sarah Palin talking about a Supreme Court decision she has disagreed with besides Roe v. Wade. I think she would like another lifeline - if only it were multiple choice....

Calligraph, read my earlier response, how is this voter fraud? Why do you not want the poor and homeless to vote in a democracy? Why do you want to disenfranchise them? How is this scary?

The site you link to (malkins) calls these voters "thugs". Obviously only "elites" should vote .....

I am so pissed about this issue. Voter fraud my ass, this is trying to stop the poor and well NON white from voting,

Calligraph, there is widespread voter fraud? Prove it.

Sounds like Bush just targeted the poor, with all those federal attorneys forced to press for cases of voter fraud.....? This is widespread voter fraud?

voterfraud?NYT

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