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Cons. vs. Lib.:

"For the species to survive, you need both," he said

You need the conservatives to be scared enough to shoot any outsiders, and libs to take care of the tribe.

P.S. is there any way I can pawn off my portion of the 800 billion to 1.2 trillion of the bailout of wall street off on a "free market conservative"? Maybe the milton freedman foundation will take care of it for me?

What a pile of crap.

"I think that's all fine and good but here's what I think," Obama said. "In the next 47 days you can fire the whole trickle-down, on-your-own, look-the-other way crowd in Washington who has led us down this disastrous path. Don't just get rid of one guy. Get rid of this administration. Get rid of this philosophy. Get rid of the do-nothing approach to our economic problem and put somebody in there who's going to fight for you."

I love this.

Hey, Chris Cox, You're fired (ahem, you MUST resign, since i can't fire you). Now, which other free market, hands off guy can we replace you with...

I love it too, probably more than you because I can see the obvious contradiction in your statements.

You say you're against bailouts, then you throw your support behind the most vocal supporter of bailouts. You buy his populist line of 'get rid of this administration!' when he is so much a part of that type of administration that he received the second-highest amount of money from Fannie Mae, one of the bigger offenders in this debacle (and his party took the vast majority of all contributions from that company).

But hey, what can you expect from a liberal - logic? Reason? You guys are so lost you're actually supporting a candidate who said he voted against a bill because - and I'm quoting directly - it "does not allow somebody to kill a child." A guy who just issued a call to arms to his troops that sounds like something you'd hear at a Jehovah's Witness convention:

I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.

He is busing activists from state to state, offering subsidies to volunteers, running a 'plumber' group to silence any leaks about his connections to scandalous figures, and runs an "Action Wire" group to silence any negative press about him.

Shush, child. Your betters are speaking.

what? never shush dissent. EVER.

Calli may not be a person I agree with, but his opinion matters. He will inform us of our weaknesses, as all 'enemies' do, and thus must be heard and respected if we are to advance our cause.

(yep, I'm a big Patton fan, course Patton believed in past-lives, was an Olympic athelete, and executed the first mechanized military attack... in Mexico.)

At some point you have to exercise your discernment, and recognize that liars and morally corrupt people, who have previously, repeatedly, and unrepentantly been exposed as such, should not be given the same respect as everyone else.

Never shushing dissent means letting liars and con-men impede the advancement of the dialogue. For instance, it means lending credence to Bill Frist's worthless armchair diagnosis of Terry Schiavo. It quite literally stands in the way of progress.

It's not Fancy Writing Boy's dissent, but his intentional deceit, that disqualifies him from an adult discussion. You can include him all you want, but he is incapable of carrying on a meaningful dialogue.

The content of his character, not of his commentary, should take top priority.

Having said that, I do agree that confronting these morally stunted human beings keeps certain skills polished. But for that to be worthwhile you have to actively bring the battle to them from time to time, not just deal with the occasional addled lackwit that finds his way here.

My 'betters'? You mean the same people who can't be bothered to do research on their own candidate? The ones who come to a completely biased blog forum to 'me-too!!!' every pro-Obama and/or anti-McCain item they see, and aren't in the least bit concerned with fact?

As for evidence - you could find the evidence yourself if you ever bothered to stop sipping the Kool-Aid and do a little research.

Obama's 'Action Wire' initiative, which calls for his supporters to harass any media source that publishes 'anti-Obama' messages - and even circulates a checklist of 'talking points' to look out for:,0,4056844,print.story

Obama insisting that his 'true followers' harangue those who aren't brainwashed:

CNN's coverage of Barack Obama's opposition to the 'born alive' bill:

Note that this was not an accusation from McCain, but from an independent group. Also note that I am pro-choice, and I don't consider abortion a key issue. But can you imagine the uproar if a Republican candidate had said "I'm against this bill because it won't let you kill children"? Yet all Obama does is release more bullshit videos saying these are "McCain's lies".

Where is when it comes to Obama?

The chart showing that Obama took the second-highest level of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae, with Democrats taking the majority:

ACORN, who adore Barack Obama and who are covertly funded by Barack Obama have been caught stuffing the voter registration rolls - again:

And finally, most damning, a piece from the Washington Post that uses fact and history to show that McCain is a much better bet on regulation and clamping down on predatory business than Barack Obama:

Obama just issued a statement that he has no plan for the financial problems. He states outright that he's going to wait for something to be done, then tell us what he wants to do. Know why? Because that's how reactionary, populist politics works: you wait for the people in power to do something, then you say how totally, completely against it you are. Even if you voted for it.

Go watch the Ted talk earlier in the month. I'm curious what makes you tick, and how you would answer Haidt's survey.

I also don't think being conservative is all bad, but fanning the flames of hysterical media accusations, or of media's hysterical accusations IS bad. It's also a waste of energy.

If that's all the GOP has, I'm starting to believe there are alot of folks the pollsters haven't reached yet.

First, Obama isn't the only campaign that fights bad media stories about their candidate... This claim they make..

Sen. John McCain's campaign uses the Internet for fundraising and organization but does not have anything like Obama's alert system to bombard a specific media outlet in real time.
Is just not true..

McCain will give you a signed book for astroturfing

And thanks for linking the open secrets link that says the obama has recieved the most from Individuals who work for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. LIKE I SAID, these are from individuals. A single individual cannot contribute more than $2,300, so what, more people have contributed to Obama.

I work for a Defense contractor, and guess what, I've donated to Obama, and that increases the amount the Defense Industry has given to Obama with your failed, flailing logic.

The rest of your claims have little to do with obama himself.

Anyone who claims McCain is good on regulation is either 1) Lying or 2) stupid. on 60 minutes on sunday, he said he still supported deregulation and said it was good for the economy.

Yeah, again, you make claims like ACORN FUNDED BY OBAMA, without any proof.

McCain's CAMPAIGN is mailing out absentee voter cards with the WRONG ADDRESS. Don't you even START a voter caging discussion, you're in too deep, and you will be buried.

WEW! High fives for no proof or links!

I hear john mccain kills monkeys for their blood to bathe in every night to keep himself alive.

John McCain is also the guy who shot JR and Mr Burns.

Hell, if you aren't going to source, i'm not going to research to debunk your claims, let's guess at what you've done:

1) Second highest recipient from Fannie Mae -probably from all employees of fannie mae, including ceo's etc., not exclusively from fannie mae the company.

2)Part of the administration - Yep, because he's the one who called for deregulation of CDS and the sub-prime deregulation. Democrats and their damn deregulation!

3) "kill babies" bill. I just have to call you a liar. Show me where he said that. And not a third recount of the story, give me where the quote comes from.

You're getting sloppy.

Yes, child. Your betters.

You have doggedly undermined your credibility here for so long that your opinions mean no more than a puppy's incessant yapping. I'm perfectly willing to examine the information you've provided, just as I'd take note of what the puppy is yapping at, but I don't give a goddamn about engaging with you on the subject.

Here's why:

You want people to take your views seriously - and they have. People have spent a lot of time responding to your points, acknowledging the valid ones and exposing the false ones. But you don't take their points seriously in return. You never admit your mistakes when people point them out, and you seem incapable of getting through a single post without at least one stark-naked falsehood. Nor do you accept the validity of any views that disagree with your own.

With you, it's always black & white, and you're always white. There's no reciprocity, precious little honesty, but plenty of arrogance. You want to be treated with more respect than you are willing to give.

In short, you behave like a juvenile delinquent.

You therefore forfeit the level of respect that adults receive.

So get over your damned self, and learn to behave like an adult - or get used to being treated like the delinquent you are.

(That last comment was obviously meant in reply to Fancy Writing Boy, not TMEC.)

Well, well, well - we finally have a source for the super intelligent, highly rational, fair and balanced Mr. Calligraph. I can tell you where the quote re: Obama came from - the Washington Times - Sun Myung Moon's "instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."

The quote is from Obama's discussion about the non-constitutionality of a bill that describes a non-viable fetus as a child - of course, a roundabout way to prevent abortions.

Here is the full quote from Obama that Mr. Calligraph - in his highly logical and reasonable way chose to believe means that a U.S. presidential candidate is out to kill children (I'm not sure if he thinks that is before or after he's sure Obama wants to show them how to have sex...)

Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute.

Mr. Calligraph's willingness to suspend disbelief when getting his anti-Obama information leads me to surmise he is the biggest sucker this side of Dum Dum lollipops...

From the ABC opinion piece about belief in the impossible.

Wolpert is an atheist, but he says he isn't trying to convert anyone to atheism. If so, he may be the only person on the planet who is willing to share his deeply held beliefs without caring whether he can convince anyone to believe the same way.

I'd really like to know where the author of this piece got this notion, what makes him such an expert that he can imply everyone is trying to convert everyone else.

yeah Calli, I certainly haven't heard any negative press about Obama, lol.

Meanwhile Palin's team is 90% ex-Bush 'damage control' people, who are known for NEVER lying to teh public, exagerating fear inducing news, covering up the truth, outing-CIA agents, or falsly testifying to get us into war.

Or, after they get CONVICTED of these acts, thier sentenses get commuted.

But that's OK Calli, get uptight about a kindergartener getting told about hoo-hos and no-nos. Your priorities are really screwed, mate.

Re: UFOs, Ghosts, etc, I do believe, actually, that there is evidence to prove thier existence. See "The Disclosure Project" for some straight up hard core conservative folkes describing UFO secrets.

Top level FAA guys, engineers from Skunkworks, ex-military who say a craft hovered over a base and disabled nukes, another military guy from another base saying the same thing happened at HIS base.

Or maybe the odd coincidence that in 1947, Roswell NM was known for being what? A town in the middle of nowhere? Or, the ONLY place on the entire planet nuclear weapons were stored.

As far as Ghosts, I think we will someday be able to measure this energy/phenom. Remember that Tesla, the father of electricity began without a voltometer or oscilliscope, using his fingers and TONGUE instead.

Oh so you know I am a nutjob, JFK was a conspiracy, so was RFK. OK City's bomb was a coverup (they were trying to bust the bomb makers, who were also Federal Bank robbers, had cops there and had been tipped off by an undercover officer, but "epic-fail", as you say)

Now, that said, I don't EVER believe stuff just beacause I 'feel good about it' or without seeing any evidence, but in the case of ghosts, my brother has lived in a haunted house, I have as well, and at a Kansas campsite me and a very lucid buddy experienced a phenom that later we looked up and many others had experienced as well (Horse Thief Canyon, heard western voices at 4am, we spread out, triangulated, walked toward the voices til they were 50 feet away, and then nothing but a stone wall, no tracks in mud, no chance for 'echoes' etc. Walked to the only entrance to the area, only our tracks in mud.)

So yeah, I believe in the possibility of stuff but only with a modicum of evidence, even if I can't reproduce the event in a lab.

Re "Why Do We Believe Impossible Things?" — because we are animals.

We have a CAPACITY for rational thought. We have an ABILITY for rational thought; for reason; for sense; for logic... We just don't live up to it all that often.

Oh, I forgot this but: Human beings generally enjoy the idea of "supernatural" things. Superman, superheroes, etc. Radios, TVs, space travel, computers — all that stuff that, to put a phrase on it, was sufficiently advanced to be indistinguishable from magic.

This, of course is a good thing: it drives us forward, onwards and upwards...

But there's a very, deeply, significantly important difference between the guy who believes that he can transmit his voice to the other side of the planet (and has some proof to back his propositions up) — and the guy who believes God, Satan, and/or Whateverthefuck has told them what to do.

It is called intellectual laziness.

Yes; that's what I said: If you believe in God, you're a dumbass. If you are scared of Satan, you're a dumbass. If you think that God will be upset because you installed a lighting rod on the church, you're not Benjamin fuckin' Franklin — but you are a fucking dumbass.

If you can't — or won't — attempt the intellectual effort of understanding the (almost unimaginable) nature of our world, you are a motherfucking, goddamn, retarded, fucking dumbass.

you are a motherfucking, goddamn, retarded, fucking dumbass.

LOL - good to have you commenting in your characteristic fashion, Dzwonka. Motherfucking and fucking, you say?

"...LOL - good to have you commenting in your characteristic fashion..." Well, "LOL" all over yourself, baby, but you're still a motherfucking, goddamn, retarded, fucking shithead bumbass Jeeeebusfreak, sweetheart.

Try to make some sense. Reason. That sort of stuff. All that hatred; resentment; all that religious stuff — it's no good.

Love each others. Be nice. Be rational. It ain't that hard, you know?

I don't think there are many Jeeeebusfreaks here. I believe there are some "religious" people but I don't think Tim is one of them - just a note....

you're still a motherfucking, goddamn, retarded, fucking shithead bumbass Jeeeebusfreak, sweetheart....Love each others. Be nice. Be rational. It ain't that hard, you know?

This one made me laugh so hard I choked. I'm your original diehard antitheist, dude - but I'm hurt now because you didn't seem to know it. And ol' Syngas upbraids me for throwing in a 'douchebag' now and then - I just can't win.

Ohmigosh - the NASCAR/David Foster Wallace Onion thing is great!

I got a chuckle too.

This one made me laugh so hard I choked... I resentment that statement — but not as much I do, or as much as I would choke, on a cleryman's dick.

Get it yet, jeebusfreak?

Get it yet, jeebusfreak? Yeah, I got it, you godless spawn of Satan.

"I'm your original diehard antitheist, dude..."

Right. Of course you are. You're not a pathetic religious fuck who poses as an atheist online, of course you're not. Right.

Yo Dzwonka,

1GM asks, politely, that you attack the message, not the messanger.

There is an art to cursing, my own mother being a master, but you sir, are a garden hose let loose to flap about the yard, spewing your ugly words at all who pass.

Pfft. I am unimpressed.

Yo, Robinson...

I really enjoy the whole garden hose flapping in the yard analogy. Good one! But you really shouldn't add that sort of an insult prefaced by "asking politely" about attacking the message, and not the messenger.

And yeah, it's messAge, and messEnger. Not that I'm a grammar nazi by any means; it's just that English is my second language, and I don't like to see it butchered — not because of my love of the language as such, but well, because if you hang out with retarded fucktards, you tend to end up talking like retarded fucktards. And I don't want to sound like that.

Eh, and don't involve your mother in your comments, dude. I'm sure she's a wonderful person, but come on, you're sorta leaving yourself open for attack with that one...


I am still unimpressed.


Pftt, unimpressed and shrug...

Okay, fess up — you're a troll, right? You got me.

Oooh - nifty for thosw commenting anonymously, Norm. My sign-in with type had run out, and I saw the word to type. You having the anons type out old manuscripts, Norm?

It's that or have them solve chess puzzles. Now that would be nifty.

as long as you use algebraic notation. *8)


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