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Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention

Inspiration + Red Meat = Road to the White House




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Uh oh....I didn't get to watch Obama's speech yet but I take it from Norm's title that it wasn't very good. Oh dear.

Ah Jill, not the message at all, I thought it was good.

Norm was referring to Obama laying out his plan, to quiet the detractors that say he has nothing but Hope-Speak.

I liked the speach, overall very good and some parts brilliant. I would argue that he didn;t do much to quiet the average conservative's fear. Change is nice, but people fear change and history shows that they will cling to horrible leaders who offer strong words.

I tink that Obama mentioning so many programms for the poor will spook the midwest. They won't hear his message that 95% of people will have lower taxes.

The tie in to MLK's Dream speach could ahve been much stronger near the end as well. I would have done a 1,2,3: 1) MLK spoke when children were segregated, racism widespread 2) People liked the dream but did not believe it possible 3) as you can see, his dream is a reality.

"Hope is not an empty promise. Change allows growth for us all. Dreams do come true."

Thanks for the post/bandwidth Norm!

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

I thought the speech was exceptional - on par with his speech on race back in the midst of his rev. Wright scandal.

But yet again, I'm in my early 20s, so I can't say that I've seen that many presidential speeches to begin with.

Wow... what the hell happened???? sorry 'bout that - movabletype was freezing and i pressed refresh a few times.

Great speech, fabulous week. McShit's coming convention droolings are going to need all the TV pundits' help they can get (i love that Norm lets us use four-letter words!)—which they will, alas. @aleksey: i thereby crown you King of the onegoodmove Multi-Post, by virtue of our beloved movabletype and its fucked-up warnings and freezes. i'll try to never beat your record!

Frankly, although it was a good speech, I thought it could have been much better. In the first instance, I found it incredibly diffuse and a little flat -- the trick of a great speech (Bill Clinton's the other night is exemplary in this regard) is to talk about many issues while sustaining a sense of overarching coherence and purpose. I felt he was just trying to address too many issues, too many criticisms, and too many constituencies all at once.

Some things I did like: His robust and forceful defense of liberalism; the part drawing on the various experiences of his family members and how his own life story informs his vision of America and his policies (nicely culminating in rebuttal the absurd 'celebrity' smear); finally some attacks on McCain's record.

What I didn't like: He a little talked policy and a few specifics, but not nearly enough: even I was wondering, after he listed all his tax cuts and programs: Yeah, buddy, how are you going to pay for all this wonderful stuff? Even though I know, updatecandidates.pdf

from looking at the actual details of his plan compared to McCain, (PDF file) that he's been much more responsible, by orders of magnitude, than McCain about accounting for it. He should have re-iterated, repeatedly, that middle class families will get much bigger tax cuts (at least 3 X larger) (PDF file, see Facts #2 and #3) under an Obama administration than a McCain one.

I have two big worries. First, swift-boating is by definition taking a candidate's strongest attributes and turning it into a negative (like Kerry's actual war record and metals for bravery being used against him by men like Bush and Cheney who are happy to start wars for others to fight but have never actually been in them). My worry about Obama is that he's been bullied into not using one of his biggest assets, namely, his remarkable speaking abilities, for fear of looking 'celebrity like' and being 'all rhetoric, no content'. Given what he's capable of, this speech struck me as deliberately and needlessly 'flat' in many places. Second, although this speech was more critical of Republican policies than many others at the convention, it was in my view not critical enough. As Greenwald points out, almost nothing has been said during this entire convention, except by occasional vague allusion to upholding the Constitution or by passing mention, about the reckless and extremist policies of the Bush administration and their relationship to our current situation, including the use of torture, the suspension of habeas corpus, government secrecy, warrantless spying, secret prisons and extraordinary rendition, patent incompetence and cronyism, ineffectual and almost heartlessly indifferent responses to major disasters like Katrina.

Looks like a mangled one of my links, inadvertently setting in block quotes the couple sentences that follow. The link is here.

I thought it was a great speech. Actually most of the speeches I watched seemed pretty good. I really hope Obama gets elected. I'm Canadian so can only watch on the sidelines. Funny thing, before Bush I never every paid much attention to US politics, but nobody anywhere in the world was able to ignore the Bush years. I also like Kucinich, and Lieberman seems like he made a smart choice.

I thought it was a great speech. Actually most of the speeches I watched seemed pretty good. I really hope Obama gets elected. I'm Canadian so can only watch on the sidelines. Funny thing, before Bush I never every paid much attention to US politics, but nobody anywhere in the world was able to ignore the Bush years. I also like Kucinich, and Lieberman seems like he made a smart choice.

sorry about the double post, wrestling with type key, i was.

Lieberman made a smart choice? By finally acknowleding that he is a republican in (D) drag? Or that ALF wasn't all taht funny a show after all?

Ok, rule of thumb for new people smile.

Before Posting, copy your text.

Then, press 'Post'. Then wait.

You may see an error, you may see nothing, you may wait for a long time and think your precious post has gone the way of the DoDo. Odds are very good, however, that it worked fine.

So instead of 'refreshing' (although 1gm is very refreshing), resubmitting, or ANYTHING, go back to the main page www.onegoodmove.org/1gm/, then come back to the discussion you posted on and see your pretty post there, all cute and cudly and waiting for Calli to say something utterly predictable about. Then notice that when you ask him to answer direct questions, he rarely ever does it. He has talking points, all bun and no meat. smile

good speech, not his best for some of us who love the really fabulous ones, but i suspect he was not aiming it at us, he clearly toned down his lofty language deliberately. I being more towards the middle would have liked it if he stressed fiscal and personal responsiblity more.

It was there, i also think he should have repeated several more times how he is actually going to cut taxes, and repair the economy.

now i was looking at talk left last night, ( you know lots of clinton fans who don't like Obama, but there was post after post actually LIKING the speech and LIKING Biden as a VP. Maybe at least the democrats are actually uniting.

Really interesting choice of Palin for VP for McCain, how are they going to keep claiming Obama is too unexperienced when they have chosen a VP much less experienced, and McCain will be 73 to 77 while president.

Palin (short for "paling") is aptly named. As I mention here, I’m looking forward to the midway point of the VP debate, when Biden is picking his teeth going, “that was fast…what’s for dessert?”

And that stuff at the post about the wolves is for real. Incredible, disgusting, but real.

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