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Wesley Clark Stands His Ground






 

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So I quickly looked through wiki for Wesley Clark's military record:

"In February, only one month into his command, he was shot four times by a Viet Cong soldier with an AK-47. The wounded Clark shouted orders to his men, who counterattacked and defeated the Viet Cong force. Clark had injuries to his right shoulder, right hand, right hip, and right leg, and was sent to Valley Forge Army Hospital in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania to recuperate."

Somehow I think anyone that gets shot four times and still has the wherewithal to give orders to his troops is entitled to say whether or not combat is a prerequisite to the presidential office.

He should simple rephrase the statement from:

"Riding in a fighter plane and being shot down is not a qualification for president."

to

"Riding in a fighter plane and being shot down does not mean that you would be a good president."

If service were a significant qualifier then in 2000 and 2004 we all would have voted for the men who had actually served... v o l u n t e e r e d... for the VN war instead of the guy who couldn't be bothered to finish his stateside Guard duty.

It is despicable that some of the same conservatives who spat upon John Kerry's service are now feigning patriotic umbrage at Clark's very reasonable observation.

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Abram's questions seemed to be based on a refusal to understand the point Clark was making. There is a really misconception out there that serving valiantly in a low level of command makes you qualified to be commander-in-chief. It's absurd in the military itself, it should be absurd in politics. Clark is right that having some kind of character and committment is important for being president, but McCain's grasp of foreign policy ideas are not that great and not that sophisticated and it's no knock on his service to point that out.

We have gone through one of those periods in American history where we dream that the presidency is a military job. So we had Bush, the only president I know of appearing in public in military attire. Kerry saluting at the Democratic convention. Not that we haven't elected war heroes before. But in actual fact commander in chief is a policy job. Unlike all the generals and joint chiefs of staff, you're not a soldier.

It is certainly conceivable that John McCain's military service could have enhanced his qualifications to be president. He could have learned that war is something to be avoided if possible - but he didn't. He could have held fast to his conviction that the United States should never condone torture - but he caved to George Bush and his brutal minions.

This issue is ripe for a political cartoon:

I see a picture of a troubled Barak Obama trying to pilot Airforce One all by himself.

something smells funny here. it's too convenient that the statement was just implicitave enough to make mccains' people react indignantly to the percieved slight to their heroes' honor, and yet easily defended as a simple statement of fact, and essentially respectful of ALL military service. (thereby subtly downgrading the value of mccains' service, which suddenly becomes "honorable, sure, but only one of millions").

then comes the clincher: the statement, whatever it means, is made by the ONE GUY who can get away with it and emerge clean as a whistle, by virtue of his own heroes' credentials. the whole thing reads like a very slick political "move", pulled off with machiavellian perfection, and designed specifically to chip away at whatever value mccains' service may have had as a vote getter, by changing that issue into this:

whether mccains' specific military experience (which we will now view with less charity) increases his qualifications to make strategic decisions as commander in chief.

either that, or it's a hell of a beautifully laid out coinkidink for the dems. :)

oops, sorry, i wasn't supposed to say anything, was i? me and my big mouth.

jonathan becker: "then comes the clincher: the statement, whatever it means, is made by the ONE GUY who can get away with it and emerge clean as a whistle, by virtue of his own heroes' credentials."

You mean Bob Schieffer?

(all Wes Clark did was quote Schieffer's statement/question back to him in the negative form)

He did a little more than that Riley. Link

I watched the clip to which Syngas linked. I don't see what Clark said that is objectionable. He's making the case for his guy - he's minimizing McCain's experience by (correctly, in my opinion) by saying that getting shot down isn't a qualification for being president. If one wants to argue that it is a measure of McCain's devotion to country - OK, fine - I agree. John McCain served his country with distinction and is a patriot - I think he'd make a lousy president, but he's a patriot and deserves credit for that.

Service to his country didn't count for much with Republicans for most of the month of August, 2004 when John Kerry was being slandered by a pack of liars, but as I'm sure Antonin Scalia would tell me, that's just one more thing I have to get over.

Durandal - I didn't realize Clark had done all that - pretty amazing.

jonathan - I think it was Clark's assignment to raise this point knowing full well it would cause gasps and pearl clutching in the Republican party and he handles it amazingly well.

I guess it helped to have that training stint at Fox (is he still there?)

Syngas: "He did a little more than that Riley."
Clark said a lot more than that, but Clark wasn't the one who introduced the subject of: "ridin' in a fighter plain, getting shot down" as being a qualification for president. That was Schieffer that brought that up and Clark responded.

Syngas: "He did a little more than that Riley."
Clark said a lot more than that, yes, but Clark wasn't the one who introduced the subject of: "ridin' in a fighter plain, getting shot down" as being a qualification for president. That was Schieffer that brought that up and Clark responded.

Obama :

"I guess my question is why, given all the vast numbers of things that we’ve got to work on, that that would be a top priority of mine?" Obama said, responding to a reporter who asked the candidate why he hadn’t called on Wesley Clark to apologize for his remarks yesterday. "I’m happy to have all sorts of conversations about how we deal with Iraq and what happens with Iran, but the fact that somebody on a cable show or on a news show like Gen. Clark said something that was inartful about Sen. McCain I don’t think is probably the thing that is keeping Ohioans up at night."

i've said it before and i'll say it again: i like obama. i can't help it. he's the american jewish liberal dream candidate made flesh. i get chills when he talks, and berate myself for being such a sucker.

yeah, it's like that. pretty sad, huh?

but this response of his that m.e.c. kindly posted is the most disingenous thing ive ever heard, even if he didn't order the hit. he should have said" of course i'm going to go after mccains military record. it's his single most valuable, bottom line asset as a candidate. what do you want from me?"

that would have been honest.

on the other hand, i'm sure he's quite right about what does or doesn't keep ohioans up at night. :)

Magnolia, if he said that....wow...he could use all the generals he can get to.

that would have been honest.

WEll, Dukakis was honest. He was as honest a politician as one could have hoped for. And guess what? He lost.

well, touche. honesty is not a desirable quality in a presidential candidate, then. check.

WEll, Dukakis was honest. He was as honest a politician as one could have hoped for. And guess what? He lost.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is a socialist and gets votes from accross the spectrum in part be cause he is honest and forthright.

Wellstone had a similar effect.

I don't know that Dukakis should stand as the national poster child for political honesty. And no single character trait is likely to carry an election.

Bernie Sanders and Wellstone for president! I'm sure that they will win. And if not them, then Russ Feingold for president! Yes! The Americans will love Russ Feingold!

And Wesley Clark stood his ground on this issue! Wesley Clark for president! right? We all love Wesley Clark, right!?

honesty is not a desirable quality in a presidential candidate, then. check.

Name the last totally honest president.

Oh, it just dawned on me. Obama can only be elected by Obamabots who believe that he is the messiah and by Obamabots who are drinking the Koolaid.. Of course, he is not the messiah. He's just yet another Democrat attempting to win the nomination in this here United States of America. And if one hundred percent of Republicans refuse to vote for him and if many Democrats won't vote for him, then who are we left with? John McCain.

I don't care what the polls say. By reading the tea leaves, John McCain is going to win. I don't like it, but it's going to happen. Obama is making the same mistakes that Kerry and Gore made. Bill Clinton could relate to the Bubbas. Kerry and Gore and Obama cannot relate to Bubbas. Kerry and Gore and Obama moved to the center in an attempt to win the general election. Bill Clinton was successful, but Kerry and Gore were not. Obama will not be successful.

Oh, well. It's the U.S.A. I'm used to it.

The Americans will love Russ Feingold!

By many accounts, Russ is not well liked in the Senate. I think he is great on policy, but leading requires personality and support from your peers.

And if one hundred percent of Republicans refuse to vote for him and if many Democrats won't vote for him, then who are we left with?

If what you say were true, we are then left with independents that will likely support Obama. But point one and two of your statement are not supported by facts.

Name the last totally honest president.

Abe Lincoln

Name the last totally honest JoAnn.

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