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What do you think, Norm?

I was there. I didn't see him - too far away, plus he was on the other side of the Siegesäule. Nonetheless, my German friends liked the speech. He didn't say anything I disagreed with. I find he made it too obvious that he was referring to parts of Kennedy's and Regan's speeches: "Look at Berlin..." (repeated a number of time like the former) "You tore down that wall" (like Reagan's "Tear down this wall.)

Wanna-be historic (but wasn't). Still what he said was true.

Cheers from a Berlin pub (ergo any typos and lack of coherency), Scott

What do you think, RedSeven? (signed Not Norm!)

What a sheer pleasure!! A leader who can speak, can inspire and brings on a non-cynical feeling of hope...

I feel like we could truly wipe away the abomination Bush has been - the frat boy whose loyalties (and empathies if he has them) went no further than those inside his bubble - which is vaguely amusing when he's the president of the local country club but not at all when he is running the country and it is at the expense of other people's LIVES.

This felt great! For a moment I am allowing myself to hope...but I know it might have to get all tamped down again - we'll see...are there more "calligraph"s or "Adam"s in the U.S.? (Speaking of which - where is Zaphod?) (signed Not Norm 2!)

The man made an intelligent, thoughtful, caring effort at connecting with a particular audience in a historical-literary context. If that much can be argued, I don't see how.

Now, when's the last time you heard that from a major presidential candidate?

--notnorm3

Do we even need to argue any more why this man is a vastly superior candidate to John McCain?

I think not.

I am no wide-eyed Obama follower, and I'm not happy with his vote on FISA or his religious rhetoric lately, but still...I want to see him elected President.

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This speech has made my throat swell.

yep. FISA vote was appalling. but this speech really reminded me why i liked Obama in the first place. he's saying a lot of what needs to be said. and indeed, we are overdue for a president. we simply have not had one since 2000.

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Gee, it's a shame The Messiah couldn't be bothered to use some of those incredible rhetorical skills to do his job in the Senate and defend the Bill of Rights.

Oh well, I guess the most we can aspire to in 2008 Amerika is to have our Constitution gutted by someone who speaks in complete sentences. Nice.

Clinton Mark II

The ideals of negative liberty corrupted by righteousness and self-importance.

'There is only us!'

Speaking of walls, why don't we stop building that giant piece across our southern boarder?

I do like that he mentioned the blogger in Iran who was supressed.

Alright, I have to admit, I liked the speech. I was just afraid saying so was too predictable.

A good speech.

Good, now that RedSeven and Norm have spoken, why don'y we all go for a beer? It's fucking hot here in Tokyo!

An idea just came writing this: some bright onegoodmove reader who is a programmer should create a website where we could all go have a virtual beer—and drown our screaming matches there in laughs, instead of recriminations (and later, a virtual restaurant—Chez Norm?!. Perhaps port it to the iPhone too (Norm, quick, copyright it!).

Good, now that RedSeven and Norm have spoken, why don't we all go for a beer? It's fucking hot here in Tokyo!

An idea just came writing this: some bright onegoodmove reader who is a programmer should create a website where we could all go have a virtual beer—and drown our screaming matches there in laughs, instead of recriminations (and later, a virtual restaurant—Chez Norm?!). Perhaps port it to the iPhone too (Norm, quick, copyright it!).

Apologies for the double post, guys: every time i preview before i post, clicking "Post" returns an error message… so i click again, and bingo. (Hope this one does not show up twice!

so i click again,

Don't click again.

hilk hilk. i have had beers here with you guys, often. tokyo, san francisco, whtsa dif? we are on the Internets, after all, and it is a series of tubes. so reasonably i could pour beer in my keyboard and out it would flow, nanoseconds later, anywhere in the google. meanwhile, i know this is old news, but did you all see that wonderful McC@nt meltdown about viagra and the pill? oh my lord that was funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkQDbfF4RqA

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I think it was a good speach, and the whole trip was a large success in general...but I think now Obama needs to get his ass back home to the battle ground states and start kicking his grassroots campaigns into full gear again! The americans that we need to sway in order to win this ellection do not care about an impressive speech in Berlin I'm afraid. McCain's numbers went up in several key battle ground states this past month which is a sign that Obama is losing people already!

I was driven to tears. As a European, this is the trans-atlantic speech I've been waiting to hear my entire life as a politically aware citizen.

Obama is a force of nature. The right man at the right time in history, to do nothing less than redeem western civilization, end Republican neocon nationalist nonsense, and pave the way for a new era of multi-lateral international understanding.

@RedSeven: i'll try!

This for the site's webmaster, for info. It's the text of the message returned every time i click "Preview" or "Post" (in Safari 3.1.2, os X 10.4.11).

Movable Type An error occurred Statement has no result columns to bind (perhaps you need to successfully call execute first) at /web/script/onegoodmove/onegoodmove.org/movabletype/extlib/Data/ObjectDriver/Driver/DBI.pm line 119.

On the front page of today's El País from Madrid there is a picture of 200,000 people attending this speech. 200,000 people! (I saved the picture from the NYT which shows the 90,000 people who heard Obama speak in Portland).We haven't had a president that has charmed Europeans this much in a long time. OK, Bill Clinton wasn't that long ago.

The first thing the right wing creeps are going to say is, "Who cares what the Euro-weenies think about our president?" Precisely one of our problems today is Bush’s total disregard for our staunchest allies. People here are begging us to elect Obama. Contrary to what Fox News tells folks, Europeans love America and still see us as a beacon. I agree with them. I will be proud to have him as president after having nothing but contempt for the current Commander in Chief.

We only have two choices people: Obama or four more years of something very similar to Bush. Is Obama perfect? A stupid question, I know, but some of you seem to expect something along those lines. Clinton was hardly perfect but when compared to Bush we need to redefine the word "perfect." Obama, for me, is a perfect choice. If you aren’t for Obama then you are for McCain. Period!

On the front page of today's El País from Madrid there is a picture of 200,000 people attending this speech. 200,000 people! (I saved the picture from the NYT which shows the 90,000 people who heard Obama speak in Portland).We haven't had a president that has charmed Europeans this much in a long time. OK, Bill Clinton wasn't that long ago.

The first thing the right wing creeps are going to say is, "Who cares what the Euro-weenies think about our president?" Precisely one of our problems today is Bush’s total disregard for our staunchest allies. People here are begging us to elect Obama. Contrary to what Fox News tells folks, Europeans love America and still see us as a beacon. I agree with them. I will be proud to have him as president after having nothing but contempt for the current Commander in Chief.

We only have two choices people: Obama or four more years of something very similar to Bush. Is Obama perfect? A stupid question, I know, but some of you seem to expect something along those lines. Clinton was hardly perfect but when compared to Bush we need to redefine the word "perfect." Obama for me is a perfect choice. If you aren’t for Obama then you are for McCain. Period!

P.S. I highly recommend that everyone follow the link to Brian Donohue’s page and read his eloquent appraisal of the speech.

Oops. Double post. I retarded but not good retarded like Rainman or Forest Gump, just retarded.

Virtual beer - that leaves us with a choice, Bud Light or Miller Lite.

wow. that was absolutely unbelievable. he may be the greatest public speaker since churchill, and i'm not even kidding. he doesn't seem to be using notes, or (even) a telepromter- does anyone know the facts on this? i'd appreciate it, i'm still pretty flabbergasted. part of me is such a sucker for this stuff, and it's a big part.

as a sceptic, though, part of me naturally focuses on the weird little details. did anyone notice that whenever he made a mistake pronouncing a word, or adding an "s" or getting the punctuation a bit wrong (which makes me think maybe there was a prompter? anyone?) he NEVER stopped, hesitated or corrected himself, as one might think would be the natural thing to do? i counted about 6 of these instances (pretty damn good in a speech of that length) and in no case did he break flow,(except with the tiniest hesitation obvious only to the anal retentive like me)in fact flow and rhythmical impact seemed to be almost of the same importance to him as the words themselves- like churchill, in fact.

what an amazing performance. the fact that, since we know so little about him and how he might actually perform as president it could have been entirely hot air doesn't phase me at all. i'd love to see a public speaker of this quality become president- even, and especially if he's the antichrist. :)

Tim:

I think that you and and Norm and the other Obama naysayers are just completely wrong here. You do realize that Obama is running for president of the United States, right? Not Holland or Finland or some other mostly-liberal country.

If you can't see a huge difference between Obama and McCain then what you are saying is that there really is no hope for the nation. I'm sorry but I'm just not that cynical, not yet. Go ahead and let McCain get elected and I just may get there.

If you can't see a huge difference between Obama and McCain then what you are saying is that there really is no hope for the nation.

What makes you think I don't see a huge difference or that I don't prefer that Obama be elected over McCain?

Lefty--

I'm confused here too. What did Tim or Norm say in this thread that led you to your comment?

All Norm said was, "nice speech."

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ok - i'll bite. 1) I, too, noticed the pauses and cadence perfection which in itself is strange and abnormal.. that makes me wonder if he really has his speeches memorized or how the hell he's getting cued. and the pauses seemed to indicated that he's getting cued at least periodically. even if he wasn't the great orator (and i thin he's got jfk, mlk and malcolm beat) he'd be one hell of a speech memorizer - like acting a play but with 3 weeks rehearsal and busy life offstage. 2) the speech was perfect. damn near too perfect. it was like some perverted demogogue talking up to us instead of down to us. (sorry jesse) a bit too populist UNLESS HE REALLY MEANS IT 3) and there's the rub- if i thought Obama really meant all of that or came up with that on his own, I'd work for the campaign. but... the FISA vote, his stance on nuclear energy, and his apparent stall on public financing makes me think "he's a visionary, but he's also a pragmatist" which means he doesn't reasonably expect all of his statements to see fruition. 4) So in a nutshell his refreshing optimism may in fact be the new post WWII populism. Unfortunately I can hear some truth in Lemos' previous posts.

not that it really matters, mccain is as difficult to watch and listen to as Obama is pleasant. While Obama may not get any improvement, McCain will not get us any improvement.

public speaking is a talent, not a gift from above. i really enjoy obama's speeches, and this may be the best one yet. what i learned from the FISA vote and a few other right wing spasms he had the minute he won the contest with clinton, is that we will certainly be disappointed with some of his actions, and necessarily so. it is the very nature of government that government will fail us some of the time. what is wanted is a situation where government also succeeds some of the time. since we currently have a federal government that is an affront to all that is good in the world, a perfect insult to intellect, compassion, logic and decency in every way, we should seek an improvement over that. biggest no brainer in the world. the nature of this flawed system, which by the way wont be going away before november, is that you will either vote for the lesser of two evils, or you will abstain or cast a protest vote, running the risk of helping the worser of two evils win. this is so not news. obama for president is the best course.

and actually i was thinking anchor steam, it's a san francisco beer, wouldn't drink bud or miller if you paid me! why is my keyboard all sticky...

really enjoy obama's speeches

To enjoy Obama's speeches is to be entirely politically incorrect. Shame on you! You should know better.

and actually i was thinking anchor steam, it's a san francisco beer, wouldn't drink bud or miller if you paid me! why is my keyboard all sticky...

Anchor Steam! Oh, that beer is so delicious that I have become a fan.... I bow at your feet.

Realistically, at this point the only reason that there is even a debate at all is because Obama is black. Obama has crafted a polical stance that is so perfectly sought after by most of the people in the US that there wouldn't be any question if he were a tradition (white) candidate.

leftbanker,

I was actually making a joke about light beer - not a political statement! LOL

As for my feelings about McCain, see McCain's economic Advisor, or here, and the last post here...

I just happen to think that the best reason to vote for Obama is to vote against the Republican party, not for the Democrats. I think it is essential that the GOP get slaughtered - then maybe they'll look at the assholes who run their party from top to bottom and become something that isn't such a disgrace.

That really was a great speech!

I think there was something there for just about anyone to like, and several parts I liked.

Being both human and skeptical though, I did see something I was looking for, and may not have really been there; he seemed to be making the case for military conquest in the name of freedom throughout the world. Am I the only one here who heard that?

syngas, you'd have a better point if you used the more general, but much more accurate term "action" instead of "conquest".

but yeah, i heard that here too, and not for the first time. i'm quite curious, actually, how far obama will bend over to sell his presidency to those who would vote against him no matter who his opponent was,on foreign policy grounds. i guess it will depend on how many of them he needs. his going this far this early, without even having been backed against a wall on these issues yet, is disturbing.

Obama in Berlin. His message of diplomacy and working together is a whole hell of a lot better than the "with us or again' us" policy.

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