Gore was right to wait until after the nomination was wrapped up to endorse Obama. HRC supporters were sour already that many male senators were backing Obama, and they would have felt positively robbed if Carter and Gore decided to publicly step on the scales before the end.

Gore's endorsement didn't do Dean any favors, as I recall. Just as well that he waited.

I don't know if Detroit is the place to roll out Mr. Global warming.

Why not Florida or Virginia or North Carolina?

I guess they had to give Granholm a chance to undo some of the damage she has done to the democratic party.

All the same, they should have done it in the week after Hillary speech and in a state where people care about global warming.

Hell, do it in New Orleans.

I'm amazed, the Obama supporters boo Granholm. When are they going to get on board with the party unity they told the Hillary supporters to adopt. Their favorite is the candidate. There is nothing more annoying than the winning side sticking it to the losers every chance they get. If you're one of those enthusiastic Obama supporters tell your cohorts to get their heads out of their asses. The last thing we need is for them to continue the hate Hillary crap. It accomplishes nothing but to give those undecided Democrats, a reason to abandon the party.

Norm, I couldn't agree with you more. I've seen so much crap come down the pike that takes cheap shots at McCain and his wife . . . I used to harbor the illusion that our side was above all that. But we have our own B-1 Bob Dornans and O'Reilly's, etc. And as you point out, we constantly do our best to alienate the very people whose support and votes we will need, not only to win in November but to change things about the way we do business.

When are they going to get on board with the party unity they told the Hillary supporters to adopt.

When HIllary endorsed Obama, many of her supporters booed Obama.

The last thing we need is for them to continue the hate Hillary crap. It accomplishes nothing but to give those undecided Democrats, a reason to abandon the party.

And the last think we need is for people like the Puma Hillary Supporters and people like Charles Lemsos to continue the hate Obama Crap which is another reason to abandon the party.

The batshit crazy wing of Hillary's support group is likely more noisy than it is large. And of those who are crowing loudly about voting for McCain, only a few will actually be able to pull the lever for McCain. Especially after having 5 months to get to know him.

As a Clinton voter, I'm still waiting for a non insulting reason why Hillary needed to be replaced as the nominee, and until i get one it's Nader 2008 for me.

As a Clinton voter, I'm still waiting for a non insulting reason why Hillary needed to be replaced as the nominee

"Replaced"? For better or worse, the system the Democratic party set up to choose a candidate, chose Obama. There may be good reasons to disagree with that system, but nonetheless, it chose Obama.

However, there's a significant chance Hillary and Obama are very similar candidates, so in the end there may not have been much reason for people to have (vehemently) advocated one over the other. However, Obama is very good at sounding like he agrees with both "sides" of an argument while keeping his actual intentions veiled. Also, Obama is a "wild card"; some people want to feel like they're taking a risk for something new, and they perceive Sen. Clinton to be more of a known value within a government system many are dissatisfied with.

These factors, among others, provided Obama with the advantage he needed to contend with Sen. Clinton.

Of course, Obama does have some very solid policies IMO, such as definite commitments to not maintain permanent bases in Iraq, shut down Guantanamo, and keep corporate interests from subverting public Internet infrastructure (now the most viable medium for the independent press).

Still, he leaves a fair bit up to the imagination, especially for people who aren't going to browse his site and read the black and white.

So much for the devil you do know, eh?

 
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Anyways, I'd say the biggest reason to support (or at least vote for) Obama is that it is a technical requirement for keeping McCain out of power. He must not be supported, directly or indirectly. Regardless of the many policies and opinions involved, McCain's behavior has made it quite clear that he has no regard for the lives of human beings, American or not. The way he speaks of bombing and military action should be all the reason anyone needs to oppose his run for the US Presidency.

As a Clinton voter, I'm still waiting for a non insulting reason why Hillary needed to be replaced as the nominee, and until i get one it's Nader 2008 for me.

As a Clinton supporter myself, I'll try to answer this in a kind and respectful manner. She didn't win enough delegates to secure the Democratic Party nomination.

As a Clinton voter, I'm still waiting for a non insulting reason why Hillary needed to be replaced as the nominee, and until i get one it's Nader 2008 for me.

Because she was arrogant enough to think she was the nominee before people voted for her, and then acted like a fool because of it.

There, now you can vote for Obama, like rational people will be.

I'm amazed, the Obama supporters boo Granholm.

The woman that used their votes as a political football and did damage to the democratic nominee. In the same week that McCain and the RNC started putting out press releases with Hillary Clinton quotes, after two weeks of commentary and leaks about how Obama should be forced to pick Hillary as VP, and the only reason Clinton isn't the Nominee is because of the sexism of Obama supporters, rather then a fair win by Obama.

Magnanimousness is a two way street my friend, and so far it isn't made much movement in either direction.

uubuntu:

That is the best response to this question I've ever seen. Would you be offended if I quoted it on other forums?

Frenetic said:

Anyways, I'd say the biggest reason to support (or at least vote for) Obama is that it is a technical requirement for keeping McCain out of power

That reason is much too rational.

Magnanimousness is a two way street my friend

hee hee. izzat so, red?

god, i've missed this blog. strewn with gems, it is. i especially like it when it sounds like "spinal tap" on politics. see above :)

and nothing personal, mr. seven. you've got a great sense of humor, but even the greats sometimes let one slip by, a head-scratcher for the peanut gallery. do it myself all the time. ahoooo-ha!