obliterate the thought.

I hate "interviews" like this. Abrams' whole interest is in stirring the pot. Entirely. The panel did a good job of practicing TV Aikido and deflecting Abrams' tortuous logic and obvious axe to grind. He just wanted to see sparks. And I hate interviewers who say "I need to make this quick," and then hem and haw. I could live with Hillary on the ticket, especially if it makes our chances of beating McCain greater. Making the VP office a place to draw a line of ideological purity is ludicrous if it can actually help the ticket. I'm not convinced that Clinton will help the ticket. But if it can be demonstrated somehow that she would, then put her on it. I'd rather see her replace Harry Reid . . .

Hillary for veep? Thanks but no thanks. I think she will be baggage.

http://thirdwaveiscoming.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-running-mate.html

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/hbc-90002910

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/hbc-90002911

Didnt a poll come out showing more of hillarys supporters wouldn't vote for obama than vice versa? Yet he is going on and on about obama supporters? I hope this happens because I dont see how they could lose with both of them on the ticket, and if this will get those insane hillary supporters who would rather see mccrap in office than obama, Im all for it. Plus I think they are both good candidates who are pretty close but could still help each other is different areas. And just let bill run our economy from the shadows.

I forgot to add isnt abrams a giant douche?

The only question lingering in my mind after watching this "exchange" wasn't who should be offered the vice-president position but rather who should replace this Abrams guy.

"Should Hilary be VP" - oh absolutely; given she appears to be currently trying to sabotage the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination with a view to running in 2012. John Edwards would make a fine VP.

"Especially in light of..." - I was so hoping she was going to say 'his family history'. No descendant of Prescott Bush has any right to call anyone a Nazi appeaser.

I find Dam A. to be refreshing. I tired of the constant pro-Obama and anti-Hillary crap that is all over the internet and news. I also like this site because, again, it never jumped on the Obama band wagon.

Anyway Dan A. is spot on in the way he talks about Obama supporters.

Also, in my personal experience in talking to people and reading comments and such online, it seems that the ones saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain are the Obama supporters. They hate Hillary that much.

I forgot to add isnt abrams a giant douche?

(Taking the bait.) No, he's a turd sandwich.

Seriously, from what I've seen so far, both here and on TV, Abrams' show is the absolute suck. It has zero substance calories, but it's pumped full to the point of bursting with empty emotional hype. Just the Batman-style "Bamf!" "Zopp!" "Kerplowwie!" graphics told me that, but suffering through a few minutes of it confirmed it.

Obama Webb 08

Anyway Dan A. is spot on in the way he talks about Obama supporters.

And Hillary supporters are white, poor, racists? Any other incorrect generalizations we want to throw out in this discussion?

Also, in my personal experience in talking to people and reading comments and such online, it seems that the ones saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain are the Obama supporters. They hate Hillary that much.

Quit talking to republicans/right-leaning independants. Lots of things are said during primaries, most are forgotten by the time november rolls around.

If Obama chooses Hillary as his VP running mate, this liberal will have to vote for McCain, instead!

debaser71 said:

Also, in my personal experience in talking to people and reading comments and such online, it seems that the ones saying they'll stay home or vote for McCain are the Obama supporters. They hate Hillary that much.

Well, the facts belie your experience.

“A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.”

Anyway, it is my opinion that Hillary should definitely be the veep. There would be too many disappointed women if she is not on the ticket.

However, If she ends up on the ticket, Hillary and Barack will have to figure out how to spin this comment that she made:

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

Perhaps this comment is severe enough that the combination will never work.

Also, he might want a running mate, a woman, who never voted for the war in Iraq, or someone who wasn't in the Congress, but spoke out against the invasion.

The Economist presents a good argument against Hillary Clinton as veep

I have no problem in principle with Clinton being on the ticket. Even some people who despise her--which I don't, however distasteful I've found some of her stunts the last few months--such as Andrew Sullivan, have proposed doing so.

I do have a few reservations. First, I'm not sure what she'd add to the ticket--I feel the same way about Edwards, incidentally, whom I like very, very much. I think many Clinton supporters will rally around Obama when the time comes, it's just been a really intense race. Second, I do have some worries, justified or not, about Bill and Hillary working for their own ends out of the VP office rather than helping Obama build his coalition and do things his own way.

I also think HRC would be an excellent Senate majority leader. If Obama becomes president, this would be, to my mind, where she would be most effective (and Edwards either as AG, or working on poverty issues in perhaps a newly created cabinet position).

On some supposed objections to having her on the ticket, I don't think most of them hold much water. No one is going to remember or care about her having said a few months back that she and McCain were ready to be president but Obama is not. Also, some have speculated that the right wing hates her so much they'll come out rather than stay at home, just out of spite. But I don't think she's any more, and perhaps is even less, threatening to the extreme right-wing than Obama. It's also important to keep in mind that McCain has, at several levels this past week, starting moving left-ward with a series of proposals that is sure to outrage the right-wing nuts: he's recently decided that global warming is very important, vowed to leave Iraq with 'victory' (whatever that means) by 2013, criticized Bush's expansion of executive power, and (he's actually been consistent on this) refuses to demonize immigrants.

As McCain tries to minimize the differences between himself and Barack, he needs someone who will draw a sharp contrast. This, too, might be a role that Hillary could play well if she were on the ticket, but also a number of others.

Ultimately I don't find it terrible likely that there will be a 'unity' ticket.

I think the best case scenario is that the 20 some percent of the lunatics that comprise the extreme right-wing and that STILL give Bush positive approval ratings simply become alienated because no one wants to pander to their absurd ideas anymore.

Another sign that HIllary Clinton might be the veep is John Edwards endorsement of her the afternoon that he endorsed Obama. Did he perhaps endorse Obama on the promise that he agree to have Hillary Clinton as his veep should she accept the offer?

Another sign that HIllary Clinton might be the veep is John Edwards endorsement of her the afternoon that he endorsed Obama

Sorry. That was a confusing comment. Edwards endorsed Obama, but he spent a lot of time praising Hillary Clinton.

I'm thinking that there has been so much animosity between the Obama vs Clinton people, that it will take some time for the two camps to eventually come together.

I'm thinking that there has been so much animosity between the Obama vs Clinton people, that it will take some time for the two camps to eventually come together.

Maybe she can administer the Commander in chief test to Obama alive on TV before she accepts the VP Slot.

This extended primary has already taken the critical eye off McCain for far too long already, If Hillary is VP, we will spend considerable amounts of time talking about what she said and what Bill said, and endless conversations about Bill's role in the vice presidents office.

Lets talk about endless war in Iraq and economic incompetence already.

A lot of people seem to be talking about Jim Webb for VP... It's an interesting idea, but I'm hesitant just because it was such a hard fought (and recently fought) Senate race in VA, and I'd like to see him stay in the Senate a while.

Is anyone talking about Bill Richardson? I think he'd be my choice, for his energy and foreign relations creds alone, but also the apparent bonus of being a governor, insofar as that translates to VP. Also he's from a southwestern swing state, and he has some cultural conservative aspects (most notably being pro gun rights) which, while I don't like them, could help to appease some Dems and independents (even Republicans) who are willing to vote for a progressive economic platform, but have reservations in the cultural arena.

Also, if you buy what the media says about Hispanics loving Clinton, having a Hispanic #2 might pull back in some of those who otherwise might feel embittered about Hillary vs. Obama. To, y'know, go ahead and make blanket predictions about the behavior of a whole bunch of ethnic groups, which is always a good idea. :-)

The most recent Gallup poll has Hillary Clinton with a three-point advantage over McCain, and has McCain with a two-point advantage over Obama. It's close.

Hillary Clinton now has a very loyal following. She has spent a lot of time working to gain this following which cannot be ignored.

"Quit talking to republicans/right-leaning independants."

errrr I am a liberal democrat. My family are liberal democrats. The folk posting on crooksandliar and the various internet sites I referred to are mostly liberal democrats. I've even seen people here post about how they'd never vote for Hillary if she beat Obama.

There's irrational hatred towards Clinton from some Obama supporters. The same irrational hatred some on the right have for Clinton.

Hillary Clinton now has a very loyal following.

Extraordinarily loyal, and I hope it doesn't make me sexist to say delusional.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_backer_backlash.html

While I am sure that there are many Obama supporters that were prepared to walk away if Obama lost the nomination, Hillary folks seem ready to actively campaign for McCain.

Lets see if Clinton puts this to bed quickly.

She should stop it for her own sake.

During the course of this primary Hillary has shown herself to be as opportunistic, arrogant, and, frankly, dishonest, as any of the Republicans we are all so disgusted with.

She's a bad choice for VP because she'd be a bad P.

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"Hillary Clinton now has a very loyal following. She has spent a lot of time working to gain this following which cannot be ignored."

Granted...it doesn't mean she should be our VP though. If she really does care about the causes she's fighting for, she would not throw them all away by damaging a potential Obama victory. Hillary has the power to heal these wounds in our party, wether she's made to be Obama's VP or not.

Personally I'd like to see someone more like Joe Bidden as our VP. He's more Blunt than Hillary when arguing his points on the issues(giving him some great contrast to Obama's more calm and civil demeanor), and has literally decades of Washington experience to help back it up.

Clinton as VP does not make any sense for her. She will have more power in the Senate and might with a slightly larger majority(making traitor Lieberman redundant)start bashing some Republiscum heads.

She has a safe seat and I cannot see any advantage for her to be VP.

Obama though would probably need her. I don't think he as the toughness to tell Republiscum to go to hell every day of the week. As the Harper's comment said, "First, she’s a bloodthirsty monster who’ll stop at nothing in her quest for power. That is refreshing, given that the Democrats’ default presidential-campaign strategy is to whine about how rough the Republicans play and to get trounced."

Ooo, let's start a poll for P, VP, and cabinet. Here's my group du jour:

Obama-Biden Sec. of State: Richardson Sec. Def: Jim Webb Att. Gen: John Edwards (although he'd fit in for FEMA or Health and Human Services) I'm coming up blank on Education and the rest, but everything will form as Nov. approaches.

P. S. Clinton as Senate majority leader...not a cabinet position, but as many have mentioned, this is a good gig for her; better than 2nd fiddle in the White House.

"P. S. Clinton as Senate majority leader...not a cabinet position, but as many have mentioned, this is a good gig for her; better than 2nd fiddle in the White House."

I FULLY AGREE!! She would be both wasted tallent, and a huge distraction in the White House.