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"Clinton refuses to admit defeat" is a good reason for Obama to drop out? Yeah, that's a good one...

Obama drop out while he leads in votes and delegates? What part of "democracy" does this guy not understand?

Who writes for Slate these days? That piece was like a rant from OGM´s 31rst dumbest commenter (I´m number 28 on that list).

I thought this was a very interesting idea, and well thought out. Not that it will happen. But the road to the Presidency is chaotic, in the mathematical sense, and this may well be the best chance Obama has.

"It does make an interesting point. Although Obama's case for being the nominee is much stronger at this point than Clinton's, if he placed party ahead of self he could drop out."

Rovian.

Take the foulest thing you do, and accuse your opponent of it.

Take the noblest thing your opponent does, and claim it as your exclusive province.

Trailhead : Drop Out, Obama

It does make an interesting point.

What part of it do you find interesting?

I see his points as two fold.

1. Hillary Clinton is to crazy and too disloyal to her party to ever drop out herself.

2. Obama could profit personally by allowing her to get the nod, lose and letting McCain destroy our country for 4 years.

As much as I would enjoy being proven that right, Having to move to Canada to escape what this country would become would overshadow that joy.

Obama leads "in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won," yet Hilary "plans to stay in the race", therefore "logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out."

Rubbish, where to start? The disdain for democracy? Or the smug, and moronic use of "logical conclusion". Perhaps to illustrate the already apparent absurdity of this "logical conclusion" try this analogy Norm I'm sure you'll love it:

Evolution leads in observational data, explanatory power, simplicity and evidence. Yet the creationists, after more than a hundred years,(much more persistent than Clinton) won't give up trying to peddle their nonsense in our schools. Therefore the logical conclusion: screw the function of education, evolution should drop out of the textbooks.

Bloody brilliant. Until this race is over, I don't suppose I'll be frequenting this blog much longer if this is where the standards in article selection are at.

RE: Trailhead : Drop Out, Obama

What an incredibly stupid article. I have a radical idea, let's at least wait until all the primaries have concluded until we start asking people to drop out.

It would not take that long. If Obama really did that, the pressure for her to drop out would finally be insurmountable. And the pressure would come from the big whigs not the voters. Because a guaranteed loss in the fall would be catastrophic for them. Why should they hand their heads on a platter to Hillary's pride?

That might be (perhaps) the dumbest article i've ever seen in slate.

I didn't know we chose presidential candidates based on stubborness.

I hardly think that after 4 years of hillary, this country will be "ready to elect obama". If the first Clinton taught me anything, it's that the deranged hatered of the Clintons has probably been the most damaging aspect of the democratic party for the past 30 years.

How do you destroy support for universal health care?

Call it "Hillarycare".

The fastest way to get people to admit they are republicans again is to get them to talk about "the clintons".

Sounds like the writer of the slate article thinks that handing bush the presidency through the supreme court duing 2000 was ok, because he was more tenacious than al gore.

I can't see how anybody who is being intellecutally honest can actually subscribe to the idea of Obama dropping out when ahead to save the democrats.

Here's a F$#%($#&* brilliant idea. How about the person who is losing drop out to save the party? Sheeeeesh!

"big whigs"

so sorry, but is it not "wigs", as worn by the limey lawyers, barristas, whate'er? Whigs are... anti-Jacksonites, or something (according to whiggy-pedia).

Anyway.

Look what happened when Al Gore "did the right, Messiah thing" in 2000!

seriously guys? The article (Obama Drop out) is satire. I thought that was obvious by it's tone.

RE: Trailhead : Drop Out, Obama

I believe this article was written with tongue firmly in cheek. If not, "devil tone ticks as 1.4142..." is spot on with the Gore analogy.

devil tone ticks as 1.4142.is spot on with the Gore analogy

Sometimes he almost seems to have rational points. hard to imagine him ever putting them in English.

I believe this article was written with tongue firmly in cheek.

Of course it was, I'm shocked that so many here think I somehow agreed with it as a serious idea. The only point is that it is true in a really fucked up way.

The only point is that it is true in a really fucked up way.

I can't argue with that.

no.

here's an alternate view. it goes all the way to the convention undecided. clinton squeaks out a win. obama runs as an independent. clinton and mccain split the right wing nutter vote. ta-da.

unlikely perhaps, but no more than the dull idea of him quitting.

and btw, good post. weird, thought provoking, troublingly so.

hmm. i misspoke when i said right wing nutter vote. but still, i think the split would be so interesting in a three way race. obama has the coffers and the votes to defeat the other two if they split the "fear" vote. let them have it. the "change" vote is bigger. if the polls are legitimate. (and that in itself is a big "if") obama could win. without the democratic party. now wouldn't that be cool. stranger things have happened.

nite