Links With Your Coffee - Saturday

- Julia Sweeney's Discussion Forum Index page
Julia Sweeny's Forum has been off line for a couple of months, but is now back and better than ever. A great place for atheists to engage in indepth discussions of their common interests.
- Things that only true Obamaphiles can believe « The Confluence
- Parents pick prayer over docs; girl dies Another example of the power of prayer. (tip to he whose name I've misplaced.
- McCain's senior moment
IT WAS probably not wise for the 64-year-old Brit Hume to describe the 71-year-old John McCain as having a "senior moment." A blip would have been better. Or a gaffe. Or even a dent in the candidate's "experience" armor.
Now that's a meme we should run with. John McCain has too many senior moments to be president. )
- 10 things white people like - Boston.com
- McCAIN'S CRED
- 10 days That Changed Capitalism | OurFuture.org
- The Philosopher's Apprentice: A Novel (tip to Chris)



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Norm I was going to post a link to what white people like that day you said to just post whatever, but I wasn't sure if it was something this site would like or if everyone knew about it already. It's one of the funniest sites I've stumbled upon in a long time, and it does have a lot of Obama content.
Posted by: greefus
| March 29, 2008 7:09 AM | Reply to this comment
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/
Posted by: greefus
| March 29, 2008 7:15 AM | Reply to this comment
popped in just to see how the pro-clinton raving was going. going strong, i see. glad it continues to take the form of disrespecting obama supporters in rather base and meaningless ways. mr. obama's speech about race was significant and powerful. clinton cries and talks about 3AM phone calls. i'm proud to be an obama supporter. i didn't dislike mrs. clinton until this campaign. i always thought the right wing vilified her and idiots bought into into it, fox news lemmings that they are. and it's true, and that maybe accounts for half the voting public in this failing experiment in democracy. no, i don't dislike her for the reasons those fools do. i dislike her because she has the astonishing nerve to play to voters' fears in a most 911'ish pathetic ugly stupid way. and then she cries in a press conference? what message discipline do we have here? obama is consistent in his message and in his refusal to play down to the gutter politics that were perfected by rove and his ilk, sadly, perfected on mr. clinton during his presidency. the dubya administration started with monica lewinsky. they tried for a decade to stick one of his affairs on him in a way that would put a stop to him. it finally took. now, mrs. clinton wants to continue the dubya administration and its failed policies. she voted for the war. no taking that back. you guys here are so determined to believe she's even partly liberal, you might as well write her bio yourselves, believe what you want. obama is winning because he is not like dubya, or the clintons.
Posted by: amorphousblob
| March 29, 2008 10:29 AM | Reply to this comment
I think some of RiverDaughter's complaints against the Obama campaigns negative tactics of late are legit in terms of the double-speak involved in launching them. However, most of the rest of her list is just absurd:
Clinton "mis-speaks"? She flat out mad it up. And Obamaphiles are the ones overlooking things? The funny thing is that this is pretty much a non-issue, except in this respect (which is another thing Clintonites overlook): Hillary's "experience" really is not more significant than Barack's, at least in any meaningful sense. Concerning the actual nuts and bolts of being prez, they are BOTH inexperienced, and her efforts to paint herself otherwise are disingenuous.
And so on. Now, I can completely understand many of the negative feelings there among Clintonites, particularly given their harsh treatment at the hands of Obama true believers. But this has gotten ridiculously out of hand, and many of them are starting not only to lash out in their sour grapes, but lump all Obama supporters together as well as projecting onto them their own worst traits: wretchedness and blind faith in their preferred candidate, incapable of seeing her flaws.
I think Obama and Clinton have complimentary flaws and assets. For me it comes down to: who is more electable, and whose positions on the issues dearest to me do I like better? On this criteria, I am an Obama supporter, after having been an Edwards supporter. Any Clinton supporters who wish to conemptuously lump me as an Obamaphile on these terms, then refuse to support Obama when he gets the nomination because they are crybabies, can go fuck themselves.
Posted by: Fierce Pika
| March 29, 2008 11:11 AM | Reply to this comment
"It's one of the funniest sites I've stumbled upon in a long time, and it does have a lot of Obama content."
It's also kind of a right wing agenda in talking about white people. Apparently the only white people that blog author knows are very affluent, educated, urban white liberals. The right wing angle is that the blog takes the uncoolness of being white and aims it at the affluent frivoloty (expensive sandwiches and $5 coffees) of some well-off liberals.
So one of the things he claims white people really like is Barack Obama, even though Obama has less white support than any of the three remaining candidates.
As a white, non-coffee drinking liberal living in rural Virginia, my sense of what "white people like" (wearing hunting camo to the grocery store? spray-painting Honda Civics? eating thick-sliced bologna with a side of fatback? raising bait in your bathtub?) is radically different from what this guy's is.
The stuff about Obama supporters is yet again beside the point and at any rate wrong. I don't know if I've ever seen a candidate attacked so much through his or her supporters. It seems to be related to the Ferraro claim that Obama is just another black man who wouldn't be able to hack it if it weren't for there bleeding heart white people desperate for him to succeed. So it's all about "white guilt" and all the other basically-right wing derision of white liberals.
The Clintons should know about delusional voters. The right wing that hates them so much has been willing to believe anything and everything that is said about them. But this 16-year derangement shared by millions of Americans about the Clintons has created this cognitive haze around them, such that many of their supporters are completely immune to all criticism of them. Get mad at Bill about something around one of these people and you're suddenly part of the VRWC.
Posted by: dende blogger
| March 29, 2008 12:30 PM | Reply to this comment
yes, my weekly check-in on the latest muck they can scrape up that's anti-Obama, short of Faux News.
I find it interesting that many more Clinton supporters polled say that if Obama is nominated they will vote for McCain (compared to Obama voters asked the same question). What does this say about these Clinton supporters?
Certifiably insane, if you ask me.
Actually, I think all of this is just a ruse, another Clintonista ruse; another truly pathetic attempt to pull people over to Hillary's side. Posturing.
Come November we'll all sober up, except for those - ahem - Nader voters, and look at what's at stake.
Meanwhile stay tuned for the next thing to chew on that comes down the pike...
re: prayer v. doctors
I am a recovered Christian Scientist. I was lucky to survive my parents benign neglect. I'm not sure why this piece is news; people have been haggling over this for years; or maybe I should say I don't know why more CS folks aren't nailed on it more often. I think CSers have somewhat more political clout than, say, the average Baptist.
Posted by: entrancemountain
| March 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Reply to this comment
That's part of why I think it's so funny - it's not really what not whites think of white people, but he does a really good job of making it seem like it might be written by a non white person, like maybe a black or asian person. It might not be as funny to you if you are not a young white yuppie internet dork yourself, with an appreciation for self deprecating humor. Since he spends so much time on Obama, I'm pretty certain he's an Obama supporter - like myself, who likes Obama and did not think anything he wrote was right wing, or anti-Obama.
Posted by: greefus
| March 29, 2008 2:49 PM | Reply to this comment
Dende Blogger, I think you miss the point of much of the humor--I don't see SWPL as being rightwing at all: VERY much the opposite. OBVIOUSLY part of the joke is that these things are not exclusive to white people, nor do they reflect things all white people do/like. See my blog entry about it. :)
But you know, the point is well taken: if you can get mixed up on that, so do millions of other people, I'm sure.
Posted by: Fierce Pika
| March 29, 2008 3:48 PM | Reply to this comment
I think the 'things that whites like' was funny. It's like the pictures that go through calligraph's head when he starts ranting about smug liberals.
Posted by: Tim
| March 30, 2008 5:16 PM | Reply to this comment
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