That is funny.

One of the things the Bible groupies never address is what happened to the plants? Old Noah put all these animals on his boat and then the world was flooded.

So all the plants must have drowned, except for sea plants like algae. So then, where did the next plants come from. You know, things most people ate like wheat or rice?

Jeebus, we wouldn't even have xmas trees.

Maybe Noah ate stuff like wheat and rice.

Jeebus, we wouldn't even have xmas trees.

Well technically we´re not supposed to have Christmas trees (well Christians at least):

Hear ye the word which the Lord speaks unto you, O house of Israel: thus says the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cuts a tree out of forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. (Jeremiah 10:1-4).

Do I detect the faint whiff of sarcasm in this video or is love for humanity the driving spirit here? Oh I just don't know. It's one thing to determine Atheism for oneself. However, a daily ritual of variations on reenforcing one's pet animus may point to a weakness in faith.

"I wonder what light was like before refraction..."

I laughed.

Erik, I think your selected verse is referring to building idols (Gods) to worship, not decoration. Maybe some context would help.

"Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field, and they have to be carried, for they cannot walk. Be not afraid of them for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good." (Jeremiah 10:5)

bernarda:

re: Noah's Ark v. plant life

That's an excellent point. I feel silly for not having thought of that myself.

I wonder what happened to all the freshwater fish once their habitat got saturated with salt water?

I wonder what happened to the geologic evidence of a universal flood?

A flood we must believe, required more water than a complete polar melt down could provide. Where did all that water go?

It can't have been lost to space in a mere five thousand years. Young earth fundies are quite certain that creation happened between five and six million years ago. That's barely a wink in geologic time.

Why are there no stories about the havoc created by all that water being drawn up and back to heaven or where ever it came from. It came from some where and it went some where, IF it happened.

It is of course an allegory. Yet another spiritual document given an ignorant literalism interpretation by Christians.

There are other versions of the same story that give the tale some meaning and value that is thrown aside by the literal interpretation.

You don't have to be a believer to see what is destroyed and made trivial by absurd literalism.

For whatever universal human truth they may have in them, mythic tales are not literal. That is the arena in which they lose their power and meaning to the individual and in the long run, to the group.

Like the story of Job, and Jonah and so many others the stories are trivialized and strtipped of any real moral or human value.

"It can't have been lost to space in a mere five thousand years."

Should read'...It can't have been lost to space in a mere five Million years."

Sorry for the typos, I'm taking the Blind Mans' defemse.

I always wonder why, with the whole planet flooded, the Chinese didn't notice. You'd have thought that an event like that would have been worth noting.

I occasionally amuse myself by asking these 'I wonder why...' questions. But it isn't much of a challenge is it? What I really wonder is how 64% of Americans can believe a story that any sixth grader should be able to demolish with hundreds of questions like those posed here.

It is of course an allegory. Yet another spiritual document given an ignorant literalism interpretation by Christians.
How does this express-that just because a man has faith in the words of a book to guide his life-that I am ignorant?

What I really wonder is how 64% of Americans can believe a story that any sixth grader should be able to demolish with hundreds of questions like those posed here.
How can you judge those people for believing something, if only on faith alone. When you believe in faith that the directions made for a certain product will work? (Poor analogy, forgive me-its late.)

I wonder what happened to all the freshwater fish once their habitat got saturated with salt water?
I have wondered the same. But I have chosen to ignore that speculation for even in modern science, some scientist cannot even agree on global warming. Something so simple in perspective. So why are we wondering impossible questions? For if you are truly curious, perhaps you should ask the one behind the story.

Dear Vovenant,

you wrote:

How does this express-that just because a man has faith in the words of a book to guide his life-that I am ignorant?

You need someone to break it down for you? We believe intelligent people using evidence to way the truthfulness or something.

I think you kind of answer this in your next comment:

How can you judge those people for believing something, if only on faith alone. When you believe in faith that the directions made for a certain product will work? (Poor analogy, forgive me-its late.)

Yes, I'm afraid it appears too late for you.

Doug: I wonder what happened to all the freshwater fish once their habitat got saturated with salt water?

Vovenant: I have wondered the same. But I have chosen to ignore that speculation for even in modern science, some scientist cannot even agree on global warming. Something so simple in perspective. So why are we wondering impossible questions?

Impossible questions indeed. Rigghht. The question is about as impossible as the age old question raised by any 6-year old of normal intelligence, 'How does Santa Claus get to millions of children's homes in one night?' While I realize that the odds of waking you from the trance-like state you live in are very small, I'll supply the answer for you: He doesn't, my boy, he doesn't. And the fresh water fish didn't die because there was no flood and no ark.

Not so impossible after all.

When you believe in faith that the directions made for a certain product will work? (Poor analogy, forgive me-its late.)

Oh, you're referring to that tired argument that Christian Americans often use about having faith that a chair will support ones weight.

I don't have "faith" that a particular chair will hold me up. I believe that the chair will hold me up because of a preponderance of the evidence.

Common sense has me believing that this chair would probably hold up me up, but I'm not too sure about this one.

And if not the ridiculous notion about having faith in the chair, there's also the one about having faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, as if there might be a chance that it wouldn't.. (ignoring the fact that the sun doesn't actually rise, but that's another ball of wax, a whole new ball game...)

These types of arguments are ridiculous and rely on semantics and changing the meaning of the word "faith" to support one's weak and unfounded proposition.

Vovenant, I notice you skipped my question about the water. No creationist has ever come close to answering my oft repeated question regarding where the water came from and where did it go.

The questions you call impossible are only impossible if the utterly impossible actually happened, meaning the flood itself

The analogy you used re faith was just stupid. Not you, the analogy.

A universal flood would have killed off most fish, both salt and freshwater fish. The oceans would have been desalinated and water temprature would have rapidly altered, all over the world very quickly. Massive die off of almost all sea life would have resulted in such a massive and sudden change.

The question is NOT impossible unless you start with an impossible assumption, one again, the flood itself.

Before you start crying foul as you did in another thread, please note that I am not attacking you, I am attacking what I see as your foolish and irrational ideas. There is a big difference.

Vovenant, I notice you skipped my question about the water

Vovenant seems to be skipping and ignoring all of the questions and ideas presented on this thread. Perhaps he doesn't know what to say.... Or perhaps he needs to consult mommy and daddy to know how to respond... maybe?

Oh, but it's so much easier to get personal than it is to discuss the issue at hand.

Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied. (1 Samuel 17:45)

If my faith and my way of life is wrong, I won't know it when I die, and there's no room for regret.

If your 'faith' and your way of life is wrong, you will know it when you die, and there's eternity to regret.