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Michael Moore - What Would Jesus Do?

Brian Smith: I was wondering what you thought about the possibility of illegal immigrants getting this government financed health care.

Michael Moore: I think that any individual who is in this country should be able to see a doctor if they're sick.

Brian Smith: Even if they're not a citizen?

Michael Moore: Well of course, they're a human being. I mean what would Jesus do right?

Brian Smith: So what would keep . . .

Michael Moore: Do you think Jesus would ask to see your citizenship papers?




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Moore should have also pointed out that, depending on how it is financed, illegal immigrants may very well help pay for such health care too.

I'm no fan of Jesus, nor Michael Moore -- but that is a great point.

Interesting how he beats that guy's argument by making a religious point, and everyone around seems to be nodding and agreeing. Sure, if the kid wants to look like a religious person (which he obviously did), he can't disagree with that statement, but I don't think the argument for basic human health should hinge solely on the decision of a man who lived 2,000 years ago.

But for a TV spot, it certainly was a well put response.

no matter what he says or believes chris matthews is pretty funny

I disagree that you have to have been to War to get that people die, to have empathy for them and to conduct it quite effectively. George W. Bush has plenty of Generals under him that went to war. George W Bush wasn't in charge of troop deployment logistics. He has a lot of blame to bare on the war in Iraq but the blame isn't solely his.

The surest way to kill the prospects of a Single Payer system is to depict US citizens waiting in line behind undocumented workers en masse.

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kill the prospects?? You mean you actually think the US has a possibility of having such a system??? Under current leadership? HA! Even if congress were 100% democrat, chances are the Insurance companies would still win. They own us. They own our homes, they own our cars, they even own our lives (if you have life ins)

Australian perspective: at my local doctor's surgery, if you don't have an Australian Medicare card, you have to pay a $50 fee to see the doctor. To get an Australian medicare card, you need to be an Australian citizen, or you need to have a valid visa and proof of residence in this country. An illegal immigrant in this country would have to pay the fee to see a doctor.

The emergency room at a hospital would be different. I'm not sure what papers one needs. I've been to the emergency room before, and I don't recall having to show my medicare card. They would certainly treat you first in an emergency, and ask questions later.

Well, I don't think Jesus is the best source for health advice considering he cares not what you put in your mouth (Luke 12:22), but I'm glad Moore shot down that popular argument of illegals "reaping the benefits."

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too funny...

i like how michael moore uses the Republicans pinache for the religious and tosses it to the kid and says "catch" .. and i was saying the same thing when l'il dOOd was trying to make that faulty point of "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"...

if you dont have health.. you dont have life

that about covers it!

Jesus is not the best authority when it comes to politics. Invoking his name works for neither conservatives nor liberals, and I cringe whenever I hear him invoked by either side. Conservatives paint Jesus as a moralizing prick who would criminalize the actions chosen by free actors, whereas liberals make Jesus into some hippie who wanted everyone to love each other and get along. Both conceptions are wrong. If anything, Jesus was apolitical. Worldly matters were of little concern to Jesus. His central concern was otherworldly; he was an apocalyptic prophet whose focus was to prepared people for the impending Judgment. I have a difficult time believing that Jesus would concern himself with whether the government provides health insurance to people who, more than likely, will be spending eternity in Hell, wailing and gnashing their teeth, according to his teachings, anyway.

That said, it was a strong rhetorical strategy, if only because people are moved by any mention of Jesus.

@Steven. You are right that Bush has generals under him who went to war. Now do a bit of reading and see what those Generals have said to Bush regarding the Iraq war, his response and how many of them are still working under the Bush Administration.

I think Jesus would first cut the worlds population down to 500 million then offer everyone health care no questions asked.

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The idea of denying yourself health care because you are afraid some people will cheat your system is completely irrational.

Lots of American citizens come up to Canada to have babies. Canadian hospitals can not turn you away for lack of insurance. Then the Americans go back to the states and never pay the bill they ran up.

So, should we scrap the system and deny ourselves coverage to keep the yanks from ripping of the system? I don't think so.

There are a great number of government tax investments that make me angry. Vast amounts of our tax dollars are commandeered for corporate profit, used for war, and wasted by incompetence and self-serving beaurocracy.

However, healing people is something I would never be angry to see that money being spent on... as long as it was actually being spent on medicine... (aye, there's the rub).

Many countries have reciprocal healthcare arrangements with each other- it's basically tit for tat: you treat my citizen while they're in your country, we'll do the same.

...but I don't think the argument for basic human health should hinge solely on the decision of a man who lived 2,000 years ago.

Welcome to America, you must be new here. Come on, even the measurement of dates is based on the time passed since a man was nailed to a tree.

I think this is the perfect way to get americans to understand why the healthcare system should be fixed, use their own myths to talk to them, not this "devil science" that's so popular today.

He has a lot of blame to bare on the war in Iraq but the blame isn't solely his.

The "Blame" chain of command goes as follows:

1) President George W. Bush is the Commander-in-Chief of our armed forces. The blame BEGINS with him. He is the supreme commander of our armed forces. There is no other American holding a higher authority than him. All final decisions on every aspect of military affairs are his, and his alone.

2) Next to blame was his former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. There were generals, such as GEN Eric Shinseki, who vehemently disagreed with Rumsfeld's war plans. GEN Shinseki was fired. Even when it was obvious the occupation of Iraq had turned into a massive mess, Bush refused to fire Rumsfeld. Therefore, these civilians held generals accountable not for wrong doings, but for not going along with a plan these generals did not see as credible. However, the civilians were not held accountable for their policy failures. DO NOT blame military officers, even the "yes" men and sock puppets Bush and Rumsfeld promoted to do their bidding.

Civilians lead our military. Uniformed members follow. And those who refuse to follow get fired. Many have.

So the right wing even trying to point blaming fingers at the senior military commanders is bullshit. Blame Rumsfeld. Blame Bush. Don't blame anyone else.

Oh, and I apologize for straying off topic. Normally I don't, but the comments to which I am responding above were simply too silly to let lie.

Great point by Moore. But I thought Jesus's next stop to America would be followed by him killing all Democrats with a giant sword coming out of his mouth.

Alot of Latin American countries have free, or very low cost health care. In Chile, total coverage is $200. a month for an American for national health care. In Mexico it is $90. to $150. a month for an American for total coverage for health care. The same for Costa Rico.

(I am not sure what it costs a citizen for services. But in America I pay $200. a month for a policy that covers nothing untill I have spent $5,000 that year on medical.)

I go to Mexico for my dental work. Excellent dentists at one tenth the cost, so it is affordable for me. Drug costs are also affordable in Mexico....

Bus loads of elderly Americans go to Canada for low cost drugs. The same drugs sold in America.

Bush is against this little relief for American citizens, saying we cant be sure of the 'quality' of the drugs, hah.

Let these old sick people buy on-line, you know, let the free market work its peculiar magic.

PWND!

No matter how you dress up a young Republican they still end up looking like a moron.

Brian Smith: It's Life, Liberty and health, right?

Michael Moore: Well, if you don't have access to health care, you may not have life.

Brian Smith: But people would have access to health care, just not government financed.

Some people never get it do they? YOU have access to health care, but the homeless guy down the street does not. That's who we're trying to help out here. Some people just can't seem to look beyond their own well being.

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...that dude got SERVED.

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Bravo Mr. Moore. Perfectly disingenuous and asinine all rolled into one. A nice winky-wink derisive salvo to the soft belly of the scrubbed christian white kid. Woo-hoo! Yeah, I get it. Everyone nods their head in approval to a scenario that has no basis in practicality. America should provide health care to anyone who can burrow past the finish line is essentially how arbitrary and childish this is.

Moore could do so much good but he just can't resist being a perpetual adolescent.

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