never going to happen.

Look at history. How many american presidents have started wars of aggression and gotten away with it? If you count all the indian wars, almost every president! How many have actually been impeached for war crimes? hmmm, 0.

Yeah, well previous to Clinton, how many had been impeached for a blow job?

This is clip great! I’ll say it again; Bush and his nazi son-of-a-bitch buddies intend to stop us from speaking out. They put out this “Executive Order” on Tuesday:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

Are we going to shut the fuck up like good little minions or are we going to stand up and speak out as we never have before?

How many american presidents have started wars of aggression and gotten away with it?

If the war in Iraq is put forward as the sole, or even the principle basis of impeachment, you are right - it is never going to happen - if no other reason than he has too many co-conspirators in Congress!

However, the continuing idiocy of Bush's Iraq policy provides the political atmosphere for proceeding with impeachment on other grounds:

http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx030706

Personally, I suspect the that NSA wiretapping scandal and what we learned about it during the digging into the attorney firing scandal might actually contain the tightest legal noose for Bush. After Ashcroft told Bush the wiretapping program was illegal, the White House went ahead with it anyway - against specific legal advice to the contrary. So, not only did he issue illegal orders, it is pretty clear that he was perfectly well aware that they were illegal - and there seems to be documentation and testimony available to support the case.

Further grounds for impeachment may emerge from the current (and clearly absurd) invocation of "executive privelege" for White House employees who have been subpoenaed to testify in matters unrelated to national security. If the stonewalling here continues, Bush may run afoul of the law in attempting to cover up his use of the US attorneys as political hatchetmen (Ironically, he would probably be able to avoid charges on the "crime" itself.)

more info: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071407B.shtml

A full-court press on all fronts might well be sufficient to impeach - but I doubt Democrats have the testicular fortitude to do it. In any case, it is extremely unlikely that enough Republicans possess the the tiniest shreds of integrity required to muster a conviction in the Senate. It is still worth doing to basically bring the Bush regime to a standstill and to curb his megalomanical power grab - and, you never know, if Bush and Cheney manage to piss off enough "reasonable" Republicans in the process, they might actually alienate enough of them into voting to throw them out.

How many american presidents have started wars of aggression and gotten away with it?

If the war in Iraq is put forward as the sole, or even the principle basis of impeachment, you are right - it is never going to happen - if no other reason than he has too many co-conspirators in Congress!

However, the continuing idiocy of Bush's Iraq policy provides the political atmosphere for proceeding with impeachment on other grounds:

http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx030706

Personally, I suspect the that NSA wiretapping scandal and what we learned about it during the digging into the attorney firing scandal might actually contain the tightest legal noose for Bush. After Ashcroft told Bush the wiretapping program was illegal, the White House went ahead with it anyway - against specific legal advice to the contrary. So, not only did he issue illegal orders, it is pretty clear that he was perfectly well aware that they were illegal - and there seems to be documentation and testimony available to support the case.

Further grounds for impeachment may emerge from the current (and clearly absurd) invocation of "executive privelege" for White House employees who have been subpoenaed to testify in matters unrelated to national security. If the stonewalling here continues, Bush may run afoul of the law in attempting to cover up his use of the US attorneys as political hatchetmen (Ironically, he would probably be able to avoid charges on the "crime" itself.)

more info: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071407B.shtml

A full-court press on all fronts might well be sufficient to impeach - but I doubt Democrats have the testicular fortitude to do it. In any case, it is extremely unlikely that enough Republicans possess the the tiniest shreds of integrity required to muster a conviction in the Senate. It is still worth doing to basically bring the Bush regime to a standstill and to curb his megalomanical power grab - and, you never know, if Bush and Cheney manage to piss of enough "reasonable" Republicans in the process, they might actually alienate enough of them into voting to throw them out.

I dont see anything in the executive order that threatens american liberties...unless you give money so people who may use such money for dubious purposes.

What is interesting is the "national emergency" language of the order. A national emergency was declared from the time of the Korean War all the way till the Nixon administration. After Watergate, the congress got wise to the fact that the exeecutive grew too powerful under the constant state of emergency, so they took the president "emergency" powers away from him by ending the non-existent emergency. Now it seems the "emergency" has returned, and with it the president claim to extra-constitutional power granted to president in a time of national emergency. if congress does not repeal the war powers this president has given himself, it is likely that later executives will continue to usurp more power until the congress becomes nothing more than a puppet of the executive. Of course since the 1970s most legislative powers went to the executive branch via the administrative agencies like the EPA whose top positions are political appointees made by the president, so in many ways the congress is already a puppet, they lost most of their legislative power to agencies, and they risk becoming completely irrelevant under the emergency power doctrine.

This is a wonderful video, and I'd like to embed it in my blog. Is it on YouTube?

awesome video!

here's youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ

this video really moved me... for a long time i've laughed at a lot of the videos posted on this site, but i've also felt there's actually something kind of sad about just that. there's a point where one must stop making fun about such serious issues. i'm not a US citizen but i'm very interested in US politics because it affects us all, for better or worse. I can't believe the indifference of the american people as a whole (at least from a international point of view) but i'm glad to see this movement slowly gaining momentum. Bush and his henchmen (and women) are commiting incredible crimes against humanity and i'm becoming so sick of it, please my american friends... make a difference!xA

When will we actually get together and organize something monumental and violent to oust the government?

I suspect my name is one on a very short, anonymous list.

Pretty amusing. For thirty years, dumbass Americans have consistently voted for either a) corporatist, police-state Republican thugs, or b) gutless Democratic lapdogs for the corporatist, police-state Republican thugs. Now people are demanding that their carefully bred Democratic poodle do the job of a Rottweiler, or, at the very least, a Border Collie. What time is American Idol on?

I agree, "kali yuga," that it's an uphill battle, but if there's one thing I admire about the American mob, it's that it will listen to reason if you can penetrate the massive wall our corporate media has built around it and insulates it from the truth.

But the Internet shall set the American mob free. Just give us time and you will see.

Yes it's on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ

kali, you are dead on. The way i see it, its too late. Our system was not designed to withstand this kind of onslaught. Th founding fathers could not predict the bitter partisanship or corporatism or the rise of American empire and its effects. The two parties cannot be expected to fix this because they are a part of the problem. At this point its just waiting until enough americans are mad enough to do something besides moan or cast meaningless votes for one of the two hegemonic parties.

Anybody read The Assault On Reason? The problem isn't with the Constitution. And it's pretty lame to blame vast hordes of brain-addled Americans.

As far as impeachment goes, I think you must make an economic argument to the "collaborator" class of capital functionaries who set the tone and tenor of public discourse. What would be the impact of impeachment today just as:

• Corporate taxes fall
• Taxes on the wealthiest fall
• Labor becomes ever more flexible
• Record stock market value
• Resurgent U.S. military investment
• Further entrenchment of bourgeois control of the political aparatus
• Inflation remains low
• Domestic passivity in the lower classes
• This entire house of cards built upon record deficit spending

Whereas, if the war ends capital would flow away from equity investment causing higher interest rates and slower growth. The fantastic U.S. budget shortfall would become correspondingly more difficult to mange -- possibly triggering a cascade of economic disaster.

The genius, if you can manage not to barf, of The War is that we are trapped between Iraq and a hard place. The political and economic risk of impeachment poses the very real threat of global economic collapse. The U.S. remains the "market of last resort" upon which so much of the global economy depends.

Remember, at home we can barely maintain the semblance of democracy and consent of the governed. What would be the consequences of economic upheaval? Clearly, the domestic fundamentalist forces would be strengthened; the recession-fueled nationalist tendencies would be augmented.

I cannot say it enough: The path forward is to organize at the local and regional levels, building a broad coalition of organizations rising ultimately to the pitch of a social movement.

The case is easy to make and the vid does a good job, one that should be done more often, of juxtaposing lies with evasions and of reminding us of just what's happened, what we've bought into, what we've tolerated and how we've been used.

It should be required viewing at the beginning of every Young Republicans meeting.

But:

I am with Nancy Pelosi in m opposition to an impeachment proceeding.

The end game here is not difficult to predict. The Nixon Gambit runs:

Impeachment looms VP resigns President appoints new VP President resigns New President pardons everyone

Game over. And it's not even a draw. Justice is cheated and having gotten away with it all, the terrorists (those who seek to weaken this nation of laws and subvert the Constitution for their own gain) are emboldened.

Impeachment is a sucker-play.

The smart move is to get Democrats elected in November and the new president to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the operations of the White House and their advisors and staff for the years 2000~2008.

fp

I'm not an optimistic person. I doubt that anything will change -- and even if it does, it'll only be temporarily. The hippies sold out -- as will any other counter-culture movement. Maybe a full-scale revolution would make a genuine change, but that too, would be temporarily.

Still, I think this is a good rallying cry.

thanks for the video norm... This slightly makes me not want to move to europe. Then again I went to the doctor today, and she wouldn't give me the treatment i needed probably because it was more expensive. Instead she said she'd give me something else, and i have to come back in 10 days to get the treatment i should get.... I'll probably still move to europe :-)

Of course, it's a bit unsettling to see someone screaming "Sieg Heil, you nazi son of a bitch" to Paul Wolfowitz, of jewish descendance...no? I just hope the anti war-movement isn´t full of these guys (I'm swedish, so what do I know?), but this film unfortunately does nothing to dispel that suspicion. And yes, the Bush administration is a pack of liars, but critique must be more intelligent than this...nothing but frustrated aggression. Watch out, it's a slippery slope...

"it's a bit unsettling to see someone screaming 'Sieg Heil, you nazi son of a bitch' to Paul Wolfowitz, of jewish descendance...no?"

Can a Jew be a Nazi? A Neocon Jew like Wolfowitz is certainly capable of behaving like one.

Suppose the U.S. military machine had spent the last four years butchering half a million plus Jews rather than half a million plus Iraqis. Would it then be okay to use the strongest terms possible to condemn these mass murderers? Probably, since it's apparently a far more heinous act to kill a Jew than to kill an Iraqi.

...it's apparently a far more heinous act to kill a Jew than to kill an Iraqi.

yes, kali. thats why its so much more FUN! i'm arranging safari tours here in the west bank outback. only 24000 for gringos. for 500000 you can take a jewess home in chains.

Wow! Jonathan! You're using those cool grey boxes now!

Israelis are in deeper shit than Americans these days. You have at least that to feel all warm and fuzzy about. :)

"i'm arranging safari tours here in the west bank outback. only 24000 for gringos. for 500000 you can take a jewess home in chains."

What's a Palestinian worth?

http://tinyurl.com/2e48ux

Wolfowitz is a "fucking nazi" and genetics have nothing to do with it.

Are you Erik and Johnatan suggesting that even destructive mass murders can't be called on it, if they are Jewish?

This isn't Israel, you don't get special status based on genetic heritage.

Act like a nazi get called a nazi, even if you're of Romany extraction. That's gypsies for those that don't already know. They too filled the nazi camps and gas chambers.

Terrifc video.

Spread it across the blogosphere, people.

Impeach the bastards now!

What's a Palestinian worth?

for you, my friend, i make special price. i see you are of a sporting nature, so i will give you a bakers dozen of palestinians for the price of one jew. but i warn you, they are not much good for sport. they just stand there and throw things at you, making them easy to pick off. wouldn't you prefer a feisty chase offered by a red sea pedestrian, with a tradition of running away going back many generations?

hey, i'm saving the rest of you from the bad taste award. i will take this burden upon myself...

Act like a nazi get called a nazi,

does that mean if i act like a rock star i get paid like a rock star? :)

No but you will get called a prima donna and an ego disaster.

That's a silly and illogical response.

I think it fair to say that the average nazi thinking American doesn't get paid for it and self proclaimed rock stars who live on their girl friends are a dime a dozen. :)

no, thomas, calling anyone a nazi, jew or not in this day and age is whats silly. the best you can hope for is a stupid conversation like this. its invariably inaccurate (are you perhaps referring to the mans abilities as a beaurocrat, or with a typewriter?) and invariably removes focus from the subject to the term itself. it's just not worth it. imho. your righteous indignation, and 5.40 will get you a latte at starbucks.

i think a better term for wolfowitz (who i seem to recall is not jewish according to jewish law) would be "rich, cruel, power-mad asshole". but i realize that isn't going to buy any coffee, either.

"the best you can hope for is a stupid conversation like this."

No, becker, it wasn't the word "Nazi" that turned this conversation stupid. It was your participation that did it.

always glad to be of help.

http://tinyurl.com/2cc7af

Posted by: 火水

let me guess: the revenge of "the squares"?

The Nazi's attacked other countries on the premise of preemption to secure the fatherland from fabricated bogus threats, unjustly killing scores of innocent people.

If the shoe fits...

The Nazi's attacked other countries on the premise of preemption to secure the fatherland from fabricated bogus threats, unjustly killing scores of innocent people.

If the shoe fits...