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Sure Keith can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

Keith does a great job reading the teleprompter.

Excellent commentary, as always. The man is fair and balanced; he holds everyone to the same high standards.

Well saaid, Keith. It's nice to see him rightly lambasting the Dems on this one. I'm once again reminded why I'm a registered Green. sigh

Well...As Iv said here many times before, the Democrats and republicans are one party, they dont represent the will of the people in the least. Its not surprising in the least that they would not listen to the electorate, because we have never been, not will we ever be their masters. If you want real representative government, then deal with your local government, or move to Sweden. The whole thing is sadly predictable.

maybe it's time for the Pirate Party to take the reigns...

I have seen him angered before but never like this. I watched this live on TV and was speechless.

Great speech, Keith! I’m throwing my support behind Edwards. He made the rounds today on the news circuits and basically echoed Olbermann’s sentiment. An Edwards/Dodd ticket would be great!

So...where was this type of commentary four years ago? three years ago? two years ago? last year? The president isn't the only person to fail the American people...the media, msnbc included, are doubly to blame for their complicity in this.

Sure Keith can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

Keith does a great job reading the teleprompter.

Exactly what are you two complaining about? It is the business of television journalists/commentators to offer informed opinions concerning matters of national importance. In other words, their job is to talk, literally. Please explain how you would have Olbermann walk the walk. And do you seriously expect him to memorize every commentary he delivers? Even if I were to write every word of my opinions, I would still want it on the teleprompter. If the claim is that Oldermann is delivering other people's opinions, then say so - and kindly provide evidence for that claim. If not, and you believe that you could speak every night without any notes - I'd say you've found your calling.

Well skewered, Tim. Some people - e.g., gfsdfsfsdfsdfsffds and Firi - are content to criticize without either justification for doing so or the impulse to offer something better.

Say what you will about Keith but he is one of the few pundits on television who is actually making these kinds of statements, and making them quiet eloquently. He's not a shill who is complacent with everything the Democrats do. Unlike our politicians he knows where he stands without the need to look at a poll result.

Nonetheless, a question I'd like to pose is simply: Did the Democrats really have a choice? If they don't fund the war, they are blasted for not "supporting our troops". If they do fund it, they are rightfully viewed as pushovers. Is that not correct?

Well republicans would say they dont support the troops and some people would believe them (their base), but what would really be the best thing for our troops? If you ask me Id say it is getting them out of iraq asap. not making them do multiple tours, extending tours, keeping them in when they are already supposed to be out, and then not even taking care of the injured troops when they get home. The only reason dems were elected as olbermann says is to challenge bush on iraq and they crumbled, if they pass this. does this bill really have no timetables or benchmarks to be met? if so, it's a sad day. But atleast as opposed to republicans they kinda challenged him. But I really think after 9/11 to now, we've made the world so much more dangerous for ourselves it's funny. but the dems are somehow the "weak" ones.

Re: “So...where was this type of commentary four years ago? three years ago? two years ago? last year? The president isn't the only person to fail the American people...the media, msnbc included, are doubly to blame for their complicity in this”.

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/05/rummysvivisec_1.html

(Norm, I can't get this link to post correctly. Perhaps you can help me)

Here’s Keith Olbermann May 4, 2006 ( a year ago) this was the only place in the mainstream media where you could hear Ray McGovern pin Rumsfeld against the wall and expose his lies to the masses in it's entirety (And have someone fact check for him)! Support for this war took a sharp decline around this time. Momentum was building for the midterm elections and the subsequent demise of Rummy. There isn't a more eloquent commentator speaking truth to power on the major T.V. networks. I'm not saying Olbermann did it single handedly but he was certainly helping to pave the way.

Olbermann cracks me up. How did a sportscaster become such a genius of both politics and war? He has a vague idea what he's talking about, and 20 years of pent-up anger that people don't take his ignorance seriously. That's all he's got. If that impresses you, you'd be really happy in Cuba.

He's totally self-righteous and pathetic. Why doesn't he just say "DO WHAT I WANT!!!!" like the emotional 5-year-old he is?

Did the Democrats really have a choice?

The same question might have been asked of the vote on the Iraq war resolution. At the time it may have seemed to some Congresspeople that to protect their political futures they had "no choice" but to vote in favor. In retrospect how wrong they were.

Of course they have a choice. They did in October of 2002 and they do now. This is not a lose/lose situation as you and the pundits would have it. It is a distinct win/lose situation.

Remember how Bill Clinton dealt with the 'Republican Revolution' and the 'contract with 'America'? He refused to sign off on bills and forced the republicans to shut down the government. He called them on their threats and he came out the political winner. Granted, Bush in his wildest dreams is no Bill Clinton, but I still see his only recourse to be to refuse to cooperate with the democrats and make them the ones who cause funding to be held up. The democratic congress knows the risk they run if this comes to pass and the lesson is still fresh in everybody's memories. 6 years of Bush's fear mongering and flag waving have produced such a confused electorate that the American people have no real national consensus or clear signal to send to congress. Clinton's republican revolution opposition had a much clearer and sweeping takeover of government, raging all the way down to local government's turning republican overnight. They still were defeated by Mr. Clinton making them seem to be the obstructionists. While I have anger and frustration at Mr. Bush as well as frustration and disappointment in the new democratic majority for not shaping this issue, first and foremost I am dissappointed and ashamed at my fellow Americans inability to sift through the lies and deceptions and form a cohesive opinion that we should be on our way out of Iraq as soon as practical (and clearly defined). In November we only sent a message to Washington that we wanted new options in Iraq, not sweeping change. The minor majorities we created in congress, coupled with the success of centrists, not visionaries, means that America has not made up its mind on this sensless war in Iraq.

No need to dream of help from the Democratic field. Ron Paul would get us out of Iraq immediately.

Olbermann seems to go a little middle-english about two thirds the way through:

"See they not that to which the senate and house leadership has blinded itself?"

That cracked me up.

what a rant, as usual

Do I hear him right ? he tries to reverse the whole "fund the troops fault" and lay it on Bush. Quite a stretch.

The dems tried everything possible to take advantage of this bill with huge pork, and to tell the world a withdrawal date.

It should have been a 1 provision bill, fund or not.

Some pork was allowed in, but at least that was it.

it makes me laugh that people criticize a journalist for a.) using language effectively and b.) showing passion about a subject hes obviously well researched and is correct about...

that sort of idiocy is just laughable... gotta love the internet.

2006 Election was NOT a clear call to end the war. It was a vote of no confidence in the current batch of Republicans.

kEIF Oldmann said something against the democrats! Let's assasinate his character now since I can't call him a heartless liberal! /stupid

I appreciate the comment, and helps re-frame the discussion off of the "political games" that both sides are playing, and on the real problem, the war itself.

Ron Paul voted against the war, and has been an outspoken critic of it ever since.

RON PAUL '08 !!

"Do I hear him right ? he tries to reverse the whole "fund the troops fault" and lay it on Bush. Quite a stretch."

NO, you do not hear him correctly. He clearly lays it on GOVERNMENT. "Our government has failed us". He does say that Bush is using the troops as a political tool. So are the democrats. He's right. The president should protect the troops at all costs. Hell, use a Goddamned "signing statement" to pass the bill without timelines if you have to, Bush. You've used signing statements to "protect us from terrorism" before, why not now?

There was always a question of how Olbermann would go down if the Democrats were in power, now we have the answer, hahah.

Good one Keith.

Interesting that the Pentagon and Peter Pace told the Senate they did not even have a plan for withdrawl, no plan at all.

( While the Iraqi government already has a plan to follow for that unlikely event.)

Keith Olbermann has become a national treasure, right up there with Jon Stewart and the gang on the Daily Show.

The rest of the babbling boobs in the national media are a bunch of swine.

“Politics is for people who have a passion for changing life but lack a passion for living it”

• Tom Robbins

keith writes his special comments

first thing i said when i seen this was...

"Thats my BABYYYYYY!!!!! You Go BABY !!! "

Magic BEANS!

Yeah yeah yeah, he read the autocue nicely.