I used to hate this guy, I dunno why I actually have probably seen every drew carey episode, and liked it kinda? until the end, didnt watch those. But I'm starting to like him.

He had a couple of his own movies that are worth watching. Saving Grace is totally watchable, stars Ferguson.

sweet its a pot film. i couldnt find it on a torrent site though.

Ferguson does have a funny, unique monologue, which doesn't have the wooden, forced delivery of the other guys.

In general I think it's unfortunate that when someone goes to jail whom we don't like, we make jokes about them being raped in prison. Prison rape is a national disgrace (one of the few things that gets us noticed by Human Right Watch) and we should be ashamed of it, not proud of it like some Texans are of the number of people they put to death.

In general I think it's unfortunate that when someone goes to jail whom we don't like, we make jokes about them being raped in prison.

I agree. It always makes me extremely uncomfortable when I hear those jokes. I almost didn't post this clip for that very reason, perhaps I shouldn't have.

In general I think it's unfortunate that when someone goes to jail whom we don't like, we make jokes about them being raped in prison.

Look, I feel "extremely uncomfortable" about rape as an implicit form of punishment, too. But this isn't an impoverished black kid whose publicly assigned lawyer landed him in the slammer after he got caught with more than an ounce of pot... If this bastard actually goes to prison, it ain't going to be one of them pound-me-in-the-ass prisons, m'kay? If Scooter actually goes to jail and emerges from it by going on Oprah to promote his tear-jerker autobiography about becoming Bubba or Leroy's love slave, I will appologize profusely and profoundly appologize for my cynicism, of course...

But even so, have you truly contemplated the monstrocity of his crime? He aided and abetted in the deaths of thousands of young Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis, as well as countless more who have been left mained and injured for the remainder of their days -- physically and mentally.

But this isn't an impoverished black kid whose publicly assigned lawyer landed him in the slammer after he got caught with more than an ounce of pot... If this bastard actually goes to prison, it ain't going to be one of them pound-me-in the-ass prisons, m'kay?

And what does that have to do with the point that jokes about prison rape are in bad taste, or that prison rape is not appropriate under any circumstance, regardless of the crime.

In deed the man,his boss, and this adminsitration are guilty of monsterous crimes. It is also true that Libby is not likely to see the inside of the sort of prisons most Americans will see, for even petty victimless crimes such as pot possession.

Those are separate issues that don't touch upon the horrible reality of American prisons or the common attitude regarding that horrible reality.

I get your point Dzwonka but it is a completely separate issue in my mind.

And what does that have to do with the point that jokes about prison rape are in bad taste, or that prison rape is not appropriate under any circumstance, regardless of the crime.
-- Norm

Dude, get over yerself. Thousands of American soldiers dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, and you're on about bad taste and things not being appropriate under any circumstances? This is like like having a conniption because Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison.

If you wanna start a campaign against prison rape, I think that'd be good. But I think you might find better opportunities than this, for it.

Thousands of American soldiers dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, so let's just forget about all of the other important things in life...

Yeah, that makes sense..

Dude, get over yerself. Thousands of American soldiers dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, and you're on about bad taste and things not being appropriate under any circumstances? This is like like having a conniption because Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison.

You are simply missing the point, it's not so much about those incarcerated but rather that it reflects on each of us.

If you wanna start a campaign against prison rape, I think that'd be good. But I think you might find better opportunities than this, for it.

If I want to start a campaign against prison rape on this blog I'll do it. It's my fucking blog, and you are a guest here.

If I want to start a campaign against prison rape on this blog I'll do it. It's my fucking blog, and you are a guest here.

Dude.... That's not cool.

Dzwonka:

Dude?! You guys are fucking losing it -- are you serious?

Dude, get over yerself.

Dude.... That's not cool.

Dude, where's my car? :D

Maher is gonna be on this show tomorrow night (thursday). Just in case. I would like to see Maher slam religion on network TV. I wish he was more scientifically informed, though. He rarely makes a compelling argument.

Norm needs perspective. Ferguson is doing comedy. Rape can be funny in that context, imagine porky pig raping elmer fudd (carlin). Also, the validity, truth, or falsity of an individual's statement has utterly nothing to do with this being YOUR blog. You owe yourself and this blog an apology for that completely idiotic statement.

The question had moved beyond whether this particular rendition of this warn out 'joke' was funny or not. Dwzonka doesn't seem particularly concerned with the problem of prison rape. It that I was attacking. Craig's telling of the joke was slightly better than the normal fair, but I find 99% of jokes about prison rape to be poorly executed and rather disgusting. The idea that a discussion of the use of prison rape in comedy is an inappropriate topic for conversation in this thread is in my opinion wrong-headed and I find it despicable when I hear people imply that it is ever okay or no big deal. Or that since there are other atrocities in the world this is not worthy of conversation.

Dwzonka doesn't seem particularly concerned with the problem of prison rape.
-- Norm

Even so, just for the record, of course I think prison rape is horrible.

Dwzonka,

I simply asked what anyone's crime, severe or not had to do with prison rape, or the appropriatness of making jokes about it. The implication being that if the crime is bad enough we shouldn't be too concerned about it. I think that was a fair reading of what you said. A question that you still have not answered by the way. That said I'll take your word for the fact that you think it is horrible.

I never suggested a discussion on rape in comedy. Your depiction of Dzwonka is disingenuous. The 99% of other prison sex jokes are also arguably inappropriate for this video. Dzwonka's point was I believe, most relevant as it had to do with the actual video you posted. The general thrust was that perhaps a complicit murderer deserves his manhood being violated. You can argue that point.

I find it interesting that you find discussion of the video inappropriate for conversation, but you find discussing a completely unrelated matter fine. This is odd. But correct if I'm wrong but it is YOUR blog. So, excuse me.

I never suggested a discussion on rape in comedy. Your depiction of Dzwonka is disingenuous. The 99% of other prison sex jokes are also arguably inappropriate for this video. Dzwonka's point was I believe, most relevant as it had to do with the actual video you posted. The general thrust was that perhaps a complicit murderer deserves his manhood being violated. You can argue that point.

I find it interesting that you find discussion of the video inappropriate for conversation, but you find discussing a completely unrelated matter fine. This is odd. But correct if I'm wrong but it is YOUR blog. So, excuse me.

I find it interesting that you find discussion of the video inappropriate for conversation

WTF? Where here did Norm say that discussion of the video was inappropriate? It was Dzwonka who was busy informing Norm what was appropriate to discuss. What is this, the Twilight Zone or something? Do you two just come here to give the owner of this blog a hard time over nothing?! And it is HIS blog. Have a little respect why don't you?

The general thrust was that perhaps a complicit murderer deserves his manhood being violated. You can argue that point.

I never said discussion of the video was inappropriate for conversation.

You can argue the point, are you kidding me? Are you implying that extra-judicial punishment is okay with you? Are you okay with vigilantism too? Or are you saying that society should include rape as one of the punishments we inflict on criminals. Sentences could be like 3-5 years and you'll make your ass available to the other prisoners. You can debate the point, Im sorry Richard but you,re one sick puppy if you think allowing such behavior is ever justified. Maybe you're just saying they deserve it, but you wouldn't be in favor of it. But if you think they deserve it why not be in favor of it? Justice served and all that.

I never stated my opinion on the matter. I was restating the gentlemen's initial point. You have attributed words to me I never said and then attacked for them. Are you dense? Or just trying to right no matter the costs?

Personally, I'm against the death penalty and the fights and abuse that occur with the tacit approval of those in the prison system. But, I guess I believe whatever you tell I believe.

Spare me the bullshit, please. We get enough from the administrator. Strawman attacks and slippery slopes, spare me. I'll watch my videos elsewhere.

"What the hell is this, Syriana? Just shut up and kiss me!"

Priceless!

The implication being that if the crime is bad enough we shouldn't be too concerned about it. I think that was a fair reading of what you said. A question that you still have not answered by the way.

But yeah, I don't think we should be overly concerned about Scooter Libby being raped in prison. Why do I hold such an opinion? Is it because:

1) Prison rape is no big deal. 2) If Scooter Libby goes to jail, it won't be that kinda jail. 3) Perspective.

I don't want you coming back and slamming me about not having answered things, "by the way" so I'll say it out loud -- I'm sorta in the camp of option two and three here... Once this deal blows over (you know, that whole Iraq war thing, thousands of Americans killed, tens of thousands of Iraqis killed, countless more maimed and wounded, this nation's reputation forever stained, billions of dollars wasted) -- maybe you can dedicate yourself to letting people know about the horrors of prison rape.

Fair?

I've been currently looking for the last month sites and places where I can campaign against prison rape. It absolutely sickens me to the stomach that such atrocities happen in prisons everyday. Even prisoners have basic human rights. If anyone knows of any, especially from Australia, pls feel free to reply to this posting or email me.