Actually, this not a Utah problem. The USPO will not mail any liquid in a glass container, including liquor. We had a devil of a time mailing my brother-in-law a bottle of bourbon for his 50th birthday. FedEx, UPS, USPO all refused to send it. Finally got an independent shipper to send it via FedEx, it broke and FedEx refused to refund our money because it was alcohol.

TMH,

What the fuck? Do you just automatically take a contrarian view to what I post? You totally missed the point. They were glasses, just the glasses, no liquid. It was the over-sensitivity to the word wine that caused the package to be returned. You don't believe it is reasonable to assume that someone who labels a package as containing wine glasses has filled them? How exactly would that work, a little saran wrap on each glass to hold the wine in? I think you would do well as a Utahan.

This is a Utah problem. A person in Utah cannot get liquor from anywhere but the local State owned liquor store. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in other states you can order bottles of wine from wineries? Not so in Utah. We only get what the State liquor store provides for us, and even then, the alcohol content is reduced.

I don't know how Cups are "contraband", but i think TMH missed the point

wow thank god i live in a redneck state where we love our booze, texas. (although somehow marijuana is still highly frowned upon) Id get the hell outta mormonville asap but thats just me.

While this story is entirely plausable in Utah, and coming from anyone but Paul Rolly, likely true.

Turns out Paul Rolly is THE laziest man on the planet. He produces his little gossip column with as little effort as he can muster resulting in predictably wrong, unresearched and unverifiable crap verging sometimes on libel.

In defense of Utah, being in the non-mormon minority makes Utah a great place to live. Shhhh, don't tell.

Cliff, What no examples of Paul's alledged sins? It seems to me you're engaging in what you accuse him of.

Norm,

If you don't like Utah, why stay?

I got out...

I would second Cliff's assertion of this particular columnist. And if you ever listen to Radio from Hell on X-96, then you will remember they too lampoon him for sensationalism and poor quality of reporting.

It's a slippery slope, man. Give someone wine glasses, their gonna fill them with wine. Don't you folks know that wine glasses are considered "gateway" stemware.

Marco,

Why would you think I don't like Utah. I agree with Cliff that Utah is a great place to live. It doesn't follow that there is nothing to complain about, there is. It's obvious, isn't it, there is no 'perfect' place to live.

Stupid mormons.

Alabama used to be like that. Probably not now but having lived with such silliness I understand the reaction.

The whole idea of keeping things under tight wrap. Everyone does it but everyone pretends not to. Partly so they can criticise those who get caught.

The Baptists, which was most of Alabama, brought the bottle home in a brown paper bag with the groceries and you got arrested for having a beer on your own fron porch.

People having a back yard barbeque would drink out of coffee cups so the neighbors wouldn't talk about them.

Stupid religious bullshite.

Another thing: At the state-run Wine stores Utah charges the same for a bottle whether you are a private individual or a club/restaurant. The bar/restaurant has to charge for "set ups" to make a profit.

(I was ignert about this fact until just this year when I went to buy a bottle of wine for a friend as a New Year's Eve gift. My first time in a wine store. Truly amazing.)

Difference between a Baptist and a Catholic?

A Catholic will say "Hi" to you in the liquor store :-)

Are Baptists not supposed to drink alcohol?

After we bombed Afghnistan back into the stone age, we justified it based upon the fact that Afghanis in post-invasion Kabul could listen to rock 'n roll. In other words: to free the people from unreasonable governmental intrusion into individual liberty. In that case, why did we bother invading Afghanistan? It would've been much cheaper just to invade Salt Lake City and liberate the people there!

Blue laws are great!

They aren't supposed to drink alcohol or screw standing up. It leads to dancing.

Welch's grape juice for communion 'wine'

I was told that the wine Jesus and the boys drank wasn't alcoholic like wine was in these evil times. :)

I was actually told that by my mother and a sunday school teacher because of my questions about Jesus and his drinking buddies.

My mother was a secret alcoholic. Now I wonder about the suday school teacher.

My devout Quaker grandparents refused to drink root BEER or ginger ALE believing that the very words in those names connoted alcohol. Not too much of a stretch to believe a story about WINE glasses in Utah.

Thnks for asking Norm. I do have evidence to support my claims against Paul rolly. Stay tuned.

The people who want to dictate other people's morality are usually the one's with the most "moral failings" of their own. Guilt can really turn people into assholes.

Hi Norm, As promised.

Rather than recounting here the many examples of Paul Rolly's insidious, lazy, and often factually challenged articles, I offer you the following. Paul Rolly Giagantic Liar (I apologize for the broken Trib links. Someone should take them to task for that purposeful and egregious shortcoming.)

Written long ago, I hadn't posted it till now for reason I will disclose upon request (boring). Nevertheless, it is up now and contains additional links to other corrective post on Rolly's gossip column.

It was months after Paul Rolly presented himself as a fan and chatted me up at the election night (almost victory) party for his niece Janneke House, that I discovered he had posted this

We talked for over an hour in the glow of what we believed was a major upset victory over Eric Jergenson for SLC city council. As I was Janneki's campaign manager, Paul became very interested in my past and learned many things about me he had not known before publishing a bunch of lazy assumptions at my expense, as always under pressure to "play nine holes".

I forgave him in that moment for the Flag at half mast lie in which he embarrassed me IN FRONT of Rocky claiming he never got my 4:30 return message...because he was already on the golf course)

I have since spoken with many others on the subject of Mr. Rolly's integrity.
The consensus seems unanimous.

Peace

PS: OGM is a daily must read. Keep it up!

Norm,

I did not intend my post to be snarky, just a bit of general information. I initially misread your post to read "wine" not wine glasses for which I apologize.

If you look at postal regulations, I believe they specifically ask you to cover all previous markings with tape or marker. My guess is that the post office in any state would have returned the package to you.

I don't post to be contrary, and have been too busy to post lately. However, given the reception my innocent post generated, I don't believe I'll be back.

I'll take your word for it that you just misread wine glasses for wine. I think the fact that I titled the post only in Utah, might have prompted you to reread it. It doesn't make any sense that enforcement of a postal regulation is something that happens only in Utah. I think a reading of your comment as snark was not unreasonable given the obvious point of the post.

Cliff,

I never would have expected that of Paul. I knew his father, and Paul as a teenager. His dad would have been disappointed.

Norm,

I am equally disappointed. He burned me three times without cause.

The Sim Gill thing was the last straw. He has my number. He could have called.

I suppose our fathers are no guarantee how we will turn out.

And a darn good thing it is, Cliff and Norm. Think how bitterly disapointed many of us would be had we turned out like our fathers.:)

I do have a good impression of Utah due to 2 things.

1] The diligence of the Utah Jazz during the time of John Stockton and Karl Malone

2] The Great Brain series of book by John Fitzgerald.