OGM seems to be a anti-religious hate group. There is too much anti-religious propoganda and vicious attacks on people who have a right to believe in what they want. You should be ashamed to participate in such hate and intolerance. As an agnostic and an idealist I have become disillusioned with OGM as it does not live up to the my ideals or the ideals it claims to uphold. I will no longer donate to OGM. Soon, I will be starting my own website for those who have also been disillusioned by OGM.

Hate group? Really? What propaganda and vicious attacks are you talking about?

Michael Jones, I'm sorry that you feel that way, I myself have been an agnostic who is straying more to the idea of athiesim. Anyways, good luck on your website, it may offer excelent debate on pro-religious (and hopefully non-fundimentalist) arguments and bring forth different points of view. But for now, OGM is my home.

OGM? Oh My God:

You, Michael (as an ex ample, not as an ad hominem, please) don't have the unlimited right to believe whatever you want to believe, not where I can get my hands on you. If your first name were Jim, for example (say, Jim Jones) and you believed that I should drink poison kool-aid for the sake of my salvation, not as an idle thought, but as an intention, a true belief of a true believer, you have no right. Or if your name were, (al-)Laddin, Osama bin, and you thought Jihad was kool. For real, as in really real, reality. In German "jihad" translates as "Kampf", by the way. As in Mein Kampf.

If you believe that you should fight for what you believe, in other words, your are picking a fight with me. If you don't, you're not really much of a believer, and don't count either way. You might as well be a rock, or a bump on a log. Or maybe one is a bit lazily, a bit leisurely-ly , uncertain, existentialism , anyone?

As for OGM, 180 degrees( at least 90, see below).

I have wondered lately what would happen if atheists left little cartoon books at the bus stops, or tracts about evolution. What if they went door to door to spread the Gossip/ Gospel?

Should the left slope of the Bell curve be harangued on 24/7 T.V. channels?

Why not?

Why not evangelize in the town square, why not casually bring up one's status as a NON-believer with strangers in the park, or say some sort of thanks to statistics-and-probability, before each meal, especially with more distant relatives when they visit? Etc., etc., etc., ...

Or are we above all that, too high, too mighty?

Perhaps our sin is not our viciousness, but lack of ubiquitousness.

Or our lack of a psychology of myth and symbol.

As far as OGM is concerned, Oh My God, what a bunch of namby pamby, oh-so-effete gentle souls they seem to some of us. You would think Worm, Norm, rather, is a throat-slitting Bolschewik, a Khmer Rougist, an Anarchist Johnny Rotten. He upsets me for the opposite reason. I see him as a Spock-like entity, Star Trekkie to a fault, too logical, drained of human, all too human, emotion, industrious, assiduous, sedulous, maybe, certainly all but credulous. He is the epitome of insipidity, but for his sense of humor (which is his true forte)and but for his tireless effort. Which is his ex-forte.

Hate?

On what planet?

(Vulcan, maybe)

There is too much anti-religious propoganda and vicious attacks on people who have a right to believe in what they want.

People certainly have a right to believe whatever they want. It doesn't follow that they have a right to be immune from criticism simply because they identify their belief as religious. I don't hear the same complaint when I criticize a person's political view or point out the harm they are doing to the country. Why do you think that religion should be any different?

Michael Jones may be right. I mean, where would it end? Maybe the next victims of OGM's merciless rationality will be the Tooth Fairy, or the Easter Bunny!

Thank you for the link to the Asylum Street Spankers!