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Katrina vanden Huevel, editor of The Nation magazine, makes the case against the war on the new CBS free speech segment.
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Katrina vanden Huevel, editor of The Nation magazine, makes the case against the war on the new CBS free speech segment.
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Well spoken and persuasive.
Holy crap! Commentary like that on an infotainment broadcast! Now that's a better indication than polls that the country is fed up with BushCo lies.
Yet, strangely, even with such public questioning of the current administration, anti-American foreigners and US citizens will continue to call us 'stupid'. Gotta love a fair shake.
I liked what she said, but it was a bit over-dramatic.
Yeah, it's a serious topic but come on...
Whoa, they let a liberal on? That only took like a month.
Overdramatic?! You must be kidding. I mean, you ARE kidding, right? She was the quintessence of dispassion and reason. If she'd been much more composed she'd have been symphonic. She struck exactly the right note for that audience, both in content and delivery. It's a shame that America has so little tolerance for real passion about things that matter.
What, pray tell, is "over dramatic" about 2700 dead Americans, 20000 wounded with PTSD or missing limbs, and now we hear 600000 dead Iraqis? Over dramatic? Surely you jest. This is quite possibly the most deadly serious event in our lives. It is drama to the nth degree and it's about time that we realized it.
It’s curious to me that average people can understand what is plainly visible, and yet our President can suggest that the already devastating costs of a dual war more durable to date than World War 2, will be viewed as no more than a “comma” by future historians. This latest in a growing list of extemporaneous embarrassments by Bush is further evidence that he is “comma-tose” when it comes to his understanding of just how deeply we are invested in the Iraqi experiment in democracy. Almost 3,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands of others with blown off limbs, and now we discover that although the pentagon admits to not keeping a body count, there is an incalculable number of collateral deaths and injuries of Iraqi civilians at a cost of $500 Billion, with a “B”. And all of this doesn’t deserve a more prestigious punctuation mark?…Perhaps a nice semi-colon, which would at least imply an opportunity for telling the rest of the story.
We can't leave iraq. I hate to admit it, but Bush is right about one thing, at this point leaving Iraq will only lead to more problems. If we leave now it will destabalize the entire middle east. More then likely Pakistan, a nuclear power, will fall with our pullout as well. We are on very dangerous ground now. While I certainyl think the president and his council should be held accoutable for their mistakes and lies, we cannot undo what he did. 2,700 dead may sound like a lot, but its nothing compared to what might happen to us, and what will happen to the region if we pull out too early.
Liked the message. She lowballed the number of "dead and wounded" Iraqis and we should keep in mind the 300,000 displaced and 800,000 who have left the country.
I agree with what she's said, but I didn't think that was so persuasive. It was more an argument that we shouldn't have gone to war -- not that we should withdraw. Granted, you can't really make a very good or radical argument in a 2 minute period...
You damn right Jamey!
Where did I say it wasn't a dramatic TOPIC?
It is. It's serious.
But that doesn't mean she has to give the sad puppy dog eyes and tilt her head to the side and say it like she does.
It's pretty simple to understand what I meant - watch the video again and ask yourself if she's just a tad dramatic. Her tone of voice and her expressions. I would have said it in a more angry way, I wouldn't have gone the direction she did.
But hey Jamey, that's cool...twist my words. You show those right wingers that two can play that game.
And PS
using cute little phrases and "big" words doesn't actually make you look intelligent, it just makes it seem like you're really trying.
But hey, I'm sure we still agree on the issues.
It only took three and a half years for a network to have an anti-Iraq war editorial (Andy Rooney doesn't count - he's crazy). Everything she said was predicted long ago to happen in an Iraq takeover scenario. Large numbers of casualites, sidetracking from the War on Terror, and questionable WMD intelligence. It's bullshit that this wasn't said on the networks in February 2003. If the MSM wasn't sucking Bush off back then we might not be in this collosial fiasco.
Please, let's all do ourselves a favor and not start throwing around this bogus 600,000 number like it's dipped in gold.
This is the same path everyone went down with IraqBodyCount announced their 1 million dead innocents (or whatever) estimate.
You don't want to make it a numbers game. One side screaming a ridiculously high number and the other a ridiculously low one ... it's bartering. Is this something you really want to barter about?
As for leaving Iraq: at some point we're going to have to accept that we are screwed no matter what we do. There is this persistent myth that there is some hope in staying - that if we leave everything will definitely go to hell, and if we stay some magical fairy dust might make it all work out. But it's BS. And everyone knows it. This will NEVER work out. This is a lost battle. It took us what, nine years to realize that in Vietnam?
I agree that she had kind of an odd tone in that speech. The words themselves were fine but she was uber-solemn.
The whole "free speech" segment has such a "CNN for high school students" feel about it. Like "hey lookey here, we're using our freedom of speech over here. We're gettin all lathered up in democracy!" It's making Couric's show look juvenile.
End the misadventure doesnt have to mean bail on Iraq. As a country i think you have to take responsibility for what you have done, you cannot leave Iraq as they are as soon as a new president comes into office. That would look very immature and selfish after all that the USA has imposed on Iraq.
So by ending the misadventure i would hope that this means reevaluating your (the USA) approach and finding some grounds with the rest of the international community, including the middle-eastern neighbours to tidy up one hell of a mess the USA has caused.
OWN YOUR MISTAKES, DO NOT HIT AND RUN. This is an opportunity as much as it is a burden.
"This is the same path everyone went down with IraqBodyCount announced their 1 million dead innocents (or whatever) estimate."
You are about as out of it as one can get. Iraq Body Count never did any such thing. (What was that you said about being called stupid?)
And the Johns Hopkins University study? How about even one shred of evidence or in the very least argument that it is flawed? Nope. Didn't think so.
Not only did IraqBodyCount never do such a thing, but they are questioning the figures from the Lancet study.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/pr14/0.php