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My Position is Clear, Isn't It?

I made my position clear, about this war on terror. I a and by the way the enemy made their position clear yet again when they when ... when a when we're able stop em.
I think he is not just inarticulate. I think his brain is damaged, and that his short term memory is deteriorating. Notice how he completely loses the thread.



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Absolute crackhead! The situation is so complex and needs somebody to inspire peace in the world and not a simple minded war/fearmongerer like the one running the world into the ground. I used to find his gaffs funny but now the jokes on us the citizens of this world,for letting this happen.

wow. Just wow. I'm with you, Norm, the dude is obviously brain damaged. You've seen those videos from the Texas Gubernatorial race 10 (?) years ago, when he debated Ann Richards, right? It's amazing, how articulate he was.

BTW - here's another link for your "religious insanity" file - a chocoloate Virgin Mary: http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/08/17/workersdiscoverchocolatevirginmary/

Please put this man out of his misery. Most of the time as Bush comes up I just skip it. He knows he's failing and can't help it.

It's during his pauses; that he attempts to collect a thought. Listen for the "I.......uhh's".....

Just compare this distracted empty headed space monkey to a real president from the past...

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Wow. All easy humor at the man's expense aside, this is deeply troubling.

Didn't he allegedly just pass a physical? How many decades will it be before we find out he had some degenerative neurological disease?

I hate Bush, no question on that.

But I've seen footage of him as Governor and he had focus back then. Totally different (evil) person. So, I'm going with the brain damage, onset Alzheimers, or something.

Is Don Vito his fucking speech writer?

Im going to re-post my comment from the earlier scarborough piece on bush's intelligence, as it didnt really get any attention.

I just think that critiquing the president's apparent lack of intellegence and charisma is a waste of energy, similar to celebrity gossip in popular culture.

Is he mentally deficient? Does it matter? I really could care less about the intelligence level of the president, as I know that the office holds little say over official policy changes.

To me, the presidency is almost to the point of the royal family in the UK. The president seems to be more or less just a PR tool and about selling an image or "product" to be broadcast over popular media.

His "intelligence" level or appearace to lack it most likely is about image...to appear "average"(rather than the popular perception of politicians as "educated elites")...Its the people around him, and far more importantly, the congress and large business interests that seem to be making the large scale policy implementations.

I'm going with the "dry drunk" theory.

http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthy1019.html

When I start to think that this theory might be true, I actually feel sorry for the guy a bit. There's a bleeding heart liberal for ya, feeling sorry for people who start unnecessary wars.

It seems to me that he is just trying to grasp one of the very few talking points he is fed every morning. "When they stand up...," "We will not back down," etc. It must be difficult to work that bullshit into every single thing you say. Try it; you'll look stupid, too.

Yurko - this leaves out one huge & vital aspect - and that is that he is not smart enough to choose wise advisors to surround himself with.

O'boy, folks, I still recall the sad days (actually about a year) when I argued that Bush was a blithering idiot - and all my liberal friends lambasted me, claiming that he was a political genius. My, my, my how times change. *Sigh, I have grown weary of trying to talk sense into both conservatives and liberals. I really have.

this isn't a gaff. He just goes blank and can't even remember what he was talking about. It's like his famous"Fool me once,,,can't get fooled again" brain fritz only worse.

I think it is significant when the so called 'leader of the free world', the single most powerful individual in the world appears to be mentally deteriorating. One must remember that the "people around him" are all hand chosen by him.

This fritzed out person has more power than any president before him. It is significant and there is a lot more than humor value involved.

It certainly does have something in common with celebrity gossip but it belongs in the discussion.

Maddonna's latest stunt or which star has a fab new boy friend, has no effect on the real world. A brain fried president of the US, can play havoc with the price of baloney in Mongolia and a few other things.

Oh good grief. Maybe, like you and the rest of us here, he knows how absolutely terribly horribly fucked up the world situation is. And maybe he knows that he's in a job that he's the wrong person for, and that it's the most important job in the world. And maybe he's sick to the depths of his soul with that knowledge.

And perhaps, just perhaps, the effort of faking it in front of the press for even one more day is more than he thinks he can bear. And maybe that's the cause of his inarticulateness in this clip.

And Norm, as for this:

I think he is not just inarticulate. I think his brain is damaged, and that his short term memory is deteriorating.

You condemn those who believe in God for making their judgements on equivalent anecdotal evidence. You're too smart to fall into the same trap yourself.

Oops, I was responding to bigkat. Apologies yuko.

I think he stopped himself from a possible war crime charge.

He charged in with the head bobbing, then tried to be clever with the tie-in, "the enemy made their posititon clear, yet again, when they.. uh...where the karl am i going with this.."

Yet again? When they what? Nope, when "we" were able to stop 'em.

He's drowning, he's Lady Macbeth washing his words but never quite getting the blood out.

Can't wait for the frog march, Fitz.

Whenever I see Bush speaking incoherently like that, I am befuddled to think Americans would let him drive a school bus... let alone govern their country.

Thanks for the input...I agree that you can make a solid case that the president is deficient, ignorant, arrogant and supporting illegal activities (NSA wiretapping), and that he should be impeached etc...but I dont see the point in doing so.

There is a very good quote by Chomsky regarding a similar issue, although its more than 30 years old and pertained to the Nixon/watergate scandal:

CHOMSKY: I am very skeptical about the radical involvement in any of these impeachment things. It seems to me that they tend to contribute to the mystification of the presidency. While I think you may make a point that Nixon is a crook and a bastard and all this sort of thing, and let's get him out. But for the left to contribute to the belief that that's going to introduce any serious changes, is simply to add to the belief that the president is some kind of god or king, and that what we have to do is get the right god in there, and then the whole story.

Some of the things that have come out are really bad. For example, I got this thing from the Emergency Civil Liberties Committee, who are really a good bunch of people, the people who take all the hard cases that the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] won't touch, etc. But they had this petition and, I mean, I usually sign everything that comes around, but this was so bad that I just couldn't sign it. It was saying we had to impeach the president, because this is the only way to restore the dignity of the presidency and to build our national honor, and it was contributing to the worse sort of beliefs, you know, exactly the reasons the intelligent corporate elite wants to get rid of Nixon in the first place -- because he's diminished all of these. It's hard to revere the president when he's busy robbing everybody to build something in San Clemente. They want this guy out of there, he's striking right at the heart of the ideology.

I completely agree that this administration is not helping the situation, but I do not think that the discussion should solely revolve around the illegal actions or crude mannerisms of one highly publicized man.

You condemn those who believe in God for making their judgements on equivalent anecdotal evidence. You're too smart to fall into the same trap yourself.

You're too smart to not understand that what I presented is a hypotheses, you know "a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation" Furthermore the evidence is not anecdotal you watched the video you did not read it in a book written years after the event by people who were not present at the time.

Didn't he allegedly just pass a physical? How many decades will it be before we find out he had some degenerative neurological disease?

I dunno. With Reagan, didn't they call it stoicism or integrity or something?

But I really think it is a bad idea to "misunderestimate" this president. He knows what he is doing. He knows who he is appointing. He knows Iraq is getting worse, that NCLB is ruining public schools, that the Clean Air Act is anything but.

And he chooses to continue to support these things. Whatever logic or ideology or twisted Christian metaphors keep him going, they've got him 6 years through already.

So he's inarticulate. So what. Most people would, and do, choke up when they're put up on a podium. Back in 2000, the people and the press thought that was cute. That is no sign of his intelligence.

Furthermore, low intelligence should not excuse active or passive criminal acts. The history books will not say "Well, it was o.k. because he was the Retarded President".

I'm going to backtrack somewhat on my original thought - though I still find it deeply troubling, I'm now wondering if Mr. Bush's difficulty is less rooted in his cranial capacity than his knowledge of how far astray his Administration has really gone. Think of it as Hamlet for the Complete Idiot - he's rationalized whatever it is that's gotten him this deep, and now that he's in danger of getting caught, is overwhelmed by the magnitude of it all.

That's one of the things about lying all the time, it becomes virtually impossible to keep them all straight, especially when someone's just caught you in a major lie - you feel compelled to defend yourself, but don't want to let them know that it's all been a lie. Hence, the indecision and mental gridlock.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm still not convinced that he's more stupid than evil. He should have to face the consequences of his choices, and not fall back on "I'm just a simple country fella."

The impeachment of Nixon damaged the Republican party for years. This can not be denied. Besides in the names of Humanity and Justice (and to set an important and badly needed example) - Bush should suffer every legal punishment that we can met against him.

...what I presented is a hypothesis, you know "a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation".

Norm, that's a good point.

Furthermore the evidence is not anecdotal you watched the video you did not read it in a book written years after the event by people who were not present at the time.

Norm, I wasn't thinking of those who believe because of something they read in a book or because of something they were told; I'm thinking of those people who believe because of (what they would call) spiritual experiences, or those who believe because of the "spiritual experiences" of others. Not quite the same thing as believing because they're supposed to.

As far as that relates to this Bush clip, I'm just saying that there are other possibilities. To me personally, he just seems really really depressed and absolutely clueless how to proceed. I think that looks like deterioration here, but that it may be that he's in the dark night of the soul.

Whenever I fall into hatred for the man, I try to remember that he's actually a person like the rest of us, and not a demon. It's hard sometimes to remember it, but it helps me keep things in perspective.

First of all, there's no question this guy Bush is much stupider than Reagan. He's in way over his head. Not only is he dyslexic but his IQ is easily under 100.

But this gaffe is interesting for the way it resembles past gaffes that have been associated with an earpiece. The way Bush trails off here is very similar to the way he did so during the first debate in 2004 and at various press conferences over the last few years. Is he listening here? Maybe the device malfunctioned.

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Not to defend him, but it looks to me like he just forgot that he wasn't supposed to say just what those recent alleged terrorists allegedly did. So he stopped what he was about to say, and tried to recover by clumsily replacing it with something else. Inarticulate as hell, but not necessarily evidence of brain damage. I've seen more likely evidence of that in his other press conferences.

First of all, there's no question this guy Bush is much stupider than Reagan.

Calling Alzheimer's victims senile, or in this case, stupid, only perpetuates the misunderstanding of dementia-type diseases.

He's in way over his head. Not only is he dyslexic

Dyslexia is not a form of retardation! My stepfather happens to be dyslexic, and yet is also an certified physician! You are seriously misinformed when it comes to learning disorders.

but his IQ is easily under 100.

And the final sign of the sophomoric mind. Are you aware, that by definition, half of the world's population has an IQ below 100?

Wow. Another shining example of the leader of the free world displaying his unique ability to impress with well-rehearsed words of wisdom.

It's not enough that this buffoon actually managed to get his way into office for two terms. It's not enough that he was quoted as saying in a fit of anger that the Constitution was just a "God damned piece of paper!" It's that he continues to sit in the Oval Office, condemning those who don't agree with him as "traitors," and shambling on in blind belief that he's chosen by God to take this country down paths that he believes are just and good. And too many American citizens, who apparently are as brain damaged as he is, continue to rant and rail at us (the ones who see the disease getting worse with each public speech) for not seeing him as the Knight In Shining Armor they believe him to be. I can feel pity for him and not hatred for the person he is, but for all of us to sit back and not do something--before we end up in a situation that makes 9/11 look like a day at the beach--is even more insane. He is the worst embarrassment to this country in my lifetime and has made the United States the laughingstock of the world community. God help us all.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think it was Mark Twain who once said, "Loyalty to your country? Always. Loyalty to your government? When they deserve it."

AsinineAmerican made several AsininePoints in completely misunderstanding my post. Let me address some of his/her concerns:

1) I'm not confusing Alzheimer's with stupidity. There's no real evidence that Bush has Alzheimer's. There's plenty of evidence he's stupid. Reagan fell victim to dimentia perhaps during his last years in office, but he was certainly no intellectual heavyweight even in his prime. But pay close attention to my words. I said Bush is stupider, not Reagan. 2) Did I imply dyslexia was a "form of retardation"? My sentence began, "Not only is he dyslexic but..." The clear implication is that he is stupid AND dyslexic, not stupid because he's dyslexic. 3) Yes, of course approximately half the world's population has an IQ below 100. But the standard by which we judge U.S. Presidents should not be the same standard we use on the population at large. It should be a given that the leader of the free world has intelligence that is well above average. I meant to state that Bush's intelligence, while below average for sure, is perhaps not inordinately low on an absolute scale, but is surely the lowest we've ever seen grace the Oval Office. H.L. Mencken was unforunately correct when he predicted a "downright moron" would someday reach the land's highest office.

Abracadab- I think you don't understand that there are people in this world who are spiritual and genuinely believe in the gospel of Jesus and uphold the values of turning the other cheek, and then there are the majority of christian people who, like Bush, praise Jesus with a loaded gun pointing at an immigrant. Also he does lack in the learning department. He only had C's in college, and his coach once remarked that he was a great athlete but was unable to play most of the time do to his poor grades.

'His "intelligence" level or appearace to lack it most likely is about image...to appear "average"'

This is such an egotistical, dismissive evaluation of the problem, rooted in the fact that you have reached a conclusion ("Every American is stupid except me and those who agree with everything I believe") and worked backwards from it - shoehorning in Bush's lack of intelligence as some kind of appeal to the average man.

These average people of which you speak - at least, average voters - don't respect stupidity. They have been trained to respect clarity of purpose, strong will, and (in many cases) religious fervor. Bush rallies his supporters when he fakes those qualities. He wins nobody over when he just stumbles on like a retard. At best he might coast on past goodwill, or sheer stubbornness of those who used to support him and their unwillingness to admit they were wrong.

But this "I'm so clever" role-playing thing you're doing pretending that there's some sinister purpose behind his stupidity is about as sensible as the belief that the destruction of the WTC was foretold by folding a $20 bill. It's just another idiot conspiracy theory.

People can just be stupid. They don't need some Machiavellian scheme. Bush is just stupid.

Joe,

Thanks for the straw-man argument. In one sentence, I mention that the president's image is controlled and managed to look a certain way...and youre rebuttal is that I think all of America is stupid, and that my ideas are as credible as 9/11 conspiracy theories.
Awesome argument.

It isnt a conspiracy theory to say that elections are run by PR agencies, that the presidential canidates have VERY little difference between themselves on issues, and instead, their values and character are emphasized.

At the MOST, Bush's character is probably controlled or scripted. But you ARE probably closer to the truth, since it makes more sense, that he's plain ol' dumb...and that the PR people in the administration are incompetent (big suprise).

My whole point is that the entire discussion around bush's apparent unintelligence is really not that important, when you look across the board at all of the other people in the administration, as well as the institutional problems that we are having. It just feels like a distraction when the predominant political discussion in the corporate media constantly centers around the President's image.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and go on record as saying it really does matter that the President of the Unite States is a moron.

My wife and I watched this video last night about 5 or six times on the tivo. It is truely shocking on a lot of different levels.

(my wife is a hospice nurse with a psychology masters who works with dementia patients a lot)

1) she doesnt think he is showing dementia symptoms (attention, memory, problem solving) but is showing wierd language patterns.

2) He is acting like he is sleep deprived. His speech has all the looseness, mild confusion and rambling of someone that is not getting good REM sleep. His speech is slured and he looks incredibly tired.

3) I got the distinct impression that there is something else going on under the surface... that in fact, there is something he is trying to hide. I am wondering if there is not another scandle coming up that will make this FISA rule breaking look really small...

4) while he has never been a very smart guy, he has also never been in much real trouble (that daddy couldnt get him out of) in his life. I am wondering if what we are seeing is also do to a loss of confidence. It has to be really hard for someone as cock sure as George has been all his life to see things going so wrong.

Hi, Max.

Abracadab- I think you don't understand that there are people in this world who are spiritual and genuinely believe in the gospel of Jesus and uphold the values of turning the other cheek, and then there are the majority of christian people who, like Bush, praise Jesus with a loaded gun pointing at an immigrant.

Max, I do understand that. But I disagree about which set of Christians constitute the majority - I believe that the gun-pointing Christians (to use your apt image) are actually in the minority, and are just a hell of a lot louder than the "turn the other cheek" Christians. Unfortunately, the differing volumes of these two Christian subcultures are built into the very nature of the two beliefs.

Another way of saying this: gentleness isn't loud.

One question, Max - I'm wondering what it was I wrote that made you think I don't see that there are these two types of Christianity?

That Bush is experiencing unusually high levels of stress is worth considering and the idea of intelligence presented in this discussion so far is inadequate.

Consider the pressure Bush faces. He has 2 more years. His advisors previously assured him Iraq would be a slamdunk and just the beginning of a new Middle East, a great legacy for a president to leave if only fantasy could be made real. He knows Iraq's 'democracy' can likely fall (VERY) soon and I am willing to wager that the only remaining options look bad, plod ahead and hope that with enough time and force maybe, just maybe, the invasion will have left behind a democracy after several more presidents and many more American and Iraqi dead with the risk at any time of all out civil war, split the country - a major disaster despite it possibly being a less costly option in the immediate future despite future costs, or reestablishment of some form of dictatorship. The administration says they are NOW beginning to prepare for post-democracy Iraq. When post-democracy Iraq happens, imagine the effect it will have on just our soldiers and the Iraqis. You might assume most of the president's advisors are the type to stay positive and upbeat even in the face of disaster, but a lot of negative news is still flooding him. We can vent steam and discuss how stupid he must be because of the way he communicates and the choices he makes but what kind of choices will a broken man make during his last 2 years in office? Will he make worse choices knowing so many people hate him - I don't know. I suspect that he is under unbearable pressure. With his lame duck status, do nothing Republican Congress, and the possible crumbling of the Republican party, is it too much too suspect that he is under some pressure to perform?

As to the idea of intelligence presented so far in this discussion, it is flawed. I realize nearly all people hold to the idea that intelligence is of one type, but some know Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences. And like the theory of evolution with some mechanics yet to be fully elucidated, it is still theory equals fact. Multiple intelligences is the same type of 'theory' though much easier for Americans to ignore, despite the overwhelming positive impact on how we can perceive ourselves and others if we knew and understood it. Verbal-linguistic is only one of several intelligences. Is Bush lacking in verbal-liguistic intelligence - absolutely. I think anyone can find enough examples that would make it hard to refute that idea. Is he getting worse - I suspect, no. I would argue that in other intelligences Bush is smart. If you want examples, take a look at Gardner's theory and you can guess why I might say that.

Is it disappointing that Bush cannot communicate - yes. I am 100% against most of Bush's choices and despite that he has surrounded himself with others that can communicate. These other people can communicate and complement him in his deficits. Tony Blair, Rice, Tony Snow to name a few can communicate quite clearly even though they may still say distasteful things. The American people wanted a President who will communicate to them directly and be held at the very least to some accountability by those who ask the questions, the press, other world leaders. Despite Bush's many inadequacies, he did come out of hiding and face the press and I can guarantee that they are presenting a darker picture of his presidency with their questions. Does he know he is failing, I would guess, yes, but the final arbiter will be history. None of us can know what the impact of all his choices will be. Even those who disagree with everything he has done should still have hope that some of his poor choices will have good consequences because people can make the best of even bad situations. That is not to say that he can or should take credit for positive consequences of bad decisions. (If I burn down your house and you build a better one in its place, I shouldn't take credit for the outcome.) Will Americans make the best of the situation, or Iraqis, or any other peoples we have harmed, I think yes. Will those who are against Bush stay negative and keep beating him up - yes. I dislike Bush most intensely for the choices he has made but when I let that anger seethe it does more harm than good so I am trying to see his leadership in a different way - I am still working through that. I think I am war fatigued and that the deaths of so many people weigh enormously on my mind, but spouting off about how stupid the president is, really is a diversion and more than that, just plain wrong on so many levels. We need to respect the office despite the choices he has made even if he does not always seem to respect the office.

Take a moment though to consider that there are multiple intelligences and that Bush is just deficient in a major one. While the venting about his verbal iq may be soothing, I hope it is just a way to release stress. The issues this President currently faces are beyond the individual ability of nearly all of us to bear every single day. The world faces a real threat from nuclear proliferation, Iraq's crumbling, environmental deterioration, and some may have heard that the US Air Force has plans to bomb private and public buildings and roads in Iran AND the other armed services vehemently oppose but still might just happen because the USAF has assured the administartion that boots on the ground won't be needed. Despite my loathing of Bush I am willing to cut him some slack on verbal blunders and count on us all to put pressure where the real concerns are concerned. It is to easy to be diverted. There is nothing we can do about Bush's verbal-linguistic intelligence, but his potential actions, yes we can.

At the very least, please consider that intelligence is more complicated. Bush could be deteriorating, but I account that to stress. I know the US will have more Presidents that are not great communicators and I know the US will start more unnecessary wars in the future. No president will be without faults. No president will make only 'good' choices. I think that we need to attack the choices the President makes and not the person. His iq is the person and as discussed previously is a poor application of science's current understanding of intelligence.

I realize that one can disagree with many individual points in my argument but that the President is stessed and that intelligence is poorly understood I think are irrefutable.

I agree with the broad sentiment, Andy - I'm just not convinced that it's not all just an act to cover up genuine evil.

Just watch footage of him speaking in Washington, DC and compare it with something from said in the middle of the country. While much of his abuse of the English language may be genuine, I suspect at least some is calculated as a way to deflect attention from his policies.

Once we believe it is Bush's mental capacity that is root of the failure - rather than his policies or his Administration's callous disregard of the Constitution - we stop debating whether Conservativism is a desirable form of governance.

The debacle in Iraq, the failures in NOLA, NSA domestic spying, corruption, corruption, corruption...

All the inevitable result of an approach to politics that respects - and protects - nothing but money and power.

My wife and I watched this video last night about 5 or six times on the tivo. It is truely shocking on a lot of different levels.

(my wife is a hospice nurse with a psychology masters who works with dementia patients a lot)

1) she doesnt think he is showing dementia symptoms (attention, memory, problem solving) but is showing wierd language patterns.

2) He is acting like he is sleep deprived. His speech has all the looseness, mild confusion and rambling of someone that is not getting good REM sleep. His speech is slured and he looks incredibly tired.

3) He is also looking like someone that has lost his self confidence. George has been using bluster and blind faith in the rightness of his actions to bolster his self confidence. As a coping mechanism this will only get you so far. He is experiancing self doubt and doesnt have the skills to deal with it.

While he has never been a very smart guy, he has also never been in much real trouble (that daddy couldnt get him out of) in his life. It has to be really hard for someone as cock sure as George has been all his life to see things going so wrong.

4) I got the distinct impression that there is something else going on under the surface... that in fact, there is something he is trying to hide. I am wondering if there is not another scandle coming up that will make this FISA rule breaking look really small...

Look at the bump on his left shoulder. He's 'wired' again. He was going to say "The Terrest made their position clear on September 11th., but Rove in his earpiece said: "Don't say Sept. 11 because we started the NSA program before Sept. 11." So he had to make something up to finish the sentence. Ad to that the fact he is on high doses of Zoloft and he looks like a blithering idiot.

MikeC, I don't have the inclination or the time to read all of that - it makes me wonder how and why you wrote so much. Anyhoo, I have seen almost 5 decades of presidents and I've seen plenty of times that they were under severe stress (Nixon first comes to my mind, Kennedy second, and then Johnson, etc. - think about the crisis' that they had to deal with?)... AND I've never seen anyone turn into a blithering idiot like that. Sure you could prob. point out some examples but no one with near that kind of level and consistency...fer sure... As far as intelligence being poorly understood, I agree we still have a lot to learn - but we certainly know more than enough to know when we are speaking or listening to a blithering idiot. I know I do.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Uh-oh. Dumb and getting dumber. He may indeed be losing it. God help us all if someone shows him which button to push.

Frank, perhaps you might bear with me this time? I really thought onegoodmove was a place for discussion and number of words used to express an idea was not held against people. I included an analogy and cliche this time to shorten my response just a lil for brevity sake and to save you time. I say this tongue-in-cheek, of course.

The current situation combines crises in such a way that may make previous presidents' jobs look easy. I could make arguments supporting that but I probably wouldn't say it in few enough words for you to read, so I will not explain why I think that.

The current President is not verbally gifted. Does that make him stupid, no. Does it make him LOOK stupid to you and me, sure. He is our President and despite the fact that some may hate him he is still captain of the team if you don't mind an analogy. All the griping about him personally accomplishes nothing. His iq does not matter, it is too late to matter. If at any time it was important than it should have been important before the elections. The US Democrats did not put forward a 'thinker' either, in the last election, Bush and Kerry were both unaccomplished students. The American people do not overwhelmingly see him as an idiot. All we saw on the various clips out there have been isolated flubs. Does anyone believe that isolated flubs are the ONLY evidence of his ability? I am absolutely positive that if we recorded everything we said we would find that stupid things every now and again slip out. The real issue is that his intelligence is a non-issue and a diversion. It is the choices he makes that will break us. The media would like us to think that covering his errors makes for coverage of his mistakes but it is the current mistakes in ACTION that really matter.

If we want to talk about his verbal-liguistic iq, why stop there. Why not discuss every little personality trait about him we don't like and see where that takes us.

My point is that discussion of his iq has been misplaced and serves no purpose.

The reason I wrote so much in my previous post is because I sometimes enjoy the exchange of ideas here. Please just give me one reason how a conclusion that he is an idiot serves a purpose other than entertainment and I will back down if it is a valid one.

Bush's apparent inadequacy or flubs seem in my opinion to dangerously distract us from what is important. In that way the distractions serve a positive tool for US Republicans. US Democrats need to understand that he is our President despite all his faults and that Democrats are not in charge. Our energies in my opinion must be spent on things that will make a difference. Name calling Bush an idiot is childish and may make us feel better but what does that say about us.

Actions speak louder than words? When it has really mattered, he has spoken clearly. In that way he has served us as President. There is no requirement for a person to be verbally gifted to be President, so let's all just get over it. It is his actions that in my opinion make him dangerous to our safety, not his verbal flubs.

MikeC, thanks for writing that. That's one of the most intelligent analyses I've read. (It doesn't hurt that I'm predisposed to agree with you, but still... ;)

While I'm not that "entertained" with the fact that our president is a moron I find it very interesting when people defend the person who makes life altering or even ending decision on a massive scale even though he's shown many times he's too intellectually challenged to understand the consequences of his actions. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because if you claim he's intelligent and understands the consequences of his actions then that would mean he has no regard for human life.

Sorry, mike, I refuse to read all that. I only read the first two paragraphs and a few lines into the third. No offense intended, but you are correct about one thing though - I have no interest in "discussion"/discussing this any further with you.

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I'll be surprised if he serves the full remainder of his term. I predict a case of "exhaustion" requiring a "much needed rest".

No matter how you look at W, you have to take into consideration that men who become president of the U.S. always get grey-hair during their term. It must be a very stressful existence indeed. I've always kind of felt sorry for W. He's like a little kid who's been pushed into a spotlight by angry parents who whisper what to say at him from off stage.

I personally believe that he's taking a variety of drugs that has been changing his personality. His father was recorded once talking about taking Halcion or some other heavy duty drug. Also, there's no way that this is an accident. "The powers that be" want W to look dumb for some reason. We could speculate all day on what that reason is.

Poor Frank. MikeC, it's him, not you.

Hey Norm, I got a link to this post onto Eric Alterman's outstanding blog at msnbc.com, here.

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Bush's intelligence is not really an issue, based upon his speech -- he's had a speech problem since he was a child. He's intelligent enough to have learned to fly a $1M fighter. His C-grades at Yale might be A's at other universities. HOWEVER, that having been said, Bush suffers from at least two problems: 1) perception and 2) lack of curiosity. Perception is everything these days, when cable TV hangs on with bulldog-like determination to perceptions of people's apparent behavior, for more than just what the president says or does -- look at how they hound celebrities. The lack of curiosity is what sidelines Bush. In the 2000 debates, he could have been put away had he been given questions that played against this weakness. Instead, he got softball questions. One question asked of him about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict showed how out of touch he was with that serious issue. And look where it has got him with the Israel-Lebanon-Hezbollah conflict.

His dogged insistence on 'staying the course' might be valuable in US politics, but in a military campaign it is disastrous, as any study of miliary campaigns back to Julius Caesar would show (for example, consider Hitler's insistence on 'staying the course' at Moscow in 1942 and Stalingrad in 1943 -- we're very glad Hitler stayed the course!). Bush may be the Commander in Chief, but I would not want him conducting theater or field strategy in a war, which is what he's been trying to do since 2003. A true commander needs to be flexible to win, not look good. If there is any place where the perception of stupidity in Bush is most evident, it is in his nearly mindless inflexibility to change strategy. Oh, he's been flexible with the reasons for the war -- WMD, democracy, terrorism,... -- but not in the conduct of the war. Now, Americans and Iraqis are dying in record numbers because of that stupid inflexibility, Iraq is on the edge of (if not already in) a civil war, with no good options for the US.

I think in future elections we need to impose a requirement that the Presidential nominees be good chess players and good poker players. No more "feel good" presidents! There's too much at stake for us to "feel good."

One comment on articulate speech and intelligence: I had the pleasure of knowing and working over the past few years with a young woman considered to have a mental disability -- retarded, if you will. She can run circles around Bush in articulation. In fact, she's given talks to legislators in Maryland towards gaining more support for people with developmental disabilities. She's an ardent Democrat and knows Eunice Kennedy very well. Needless to say, she doesn't believe Bush is terribly bright when it comes to being president. I don't think she would refer to him as moron, however.

Regarding MikeC's comments...You made some very good points.

Here's something else to consider. If this man was your child's 6th grade English teacher and he spoke as poorly as this, wouldn't you scratch your head and wonder if he was qualified? In this case, he's THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I'm scratching my F'ing head OFF.

It's all designed to make fascism seem "incompetent" and "folksy". It's not fooling me.

"Poor Frank. MikeC, it's him, not you." - Posted by: Abracadab

And now we resort to personal attacks...

Yes, poor pitiful me - and poor pitiful brilliant Bush - being "made" to look stupid by the "powers that be".

It's not his fault.

Or just maybe Laura is slowly poisoning him.

That cat's something I can't explain!!!

Help us all, because of some previous comments that agree with my perception of Bush and that he is truly evil, with equal shares for Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld. These people have not respect for others but for all the money that has corrupted them. I suspect that these and other similarly corrupted people figure that if there is a major collapse in this country, world wherever, they will be able to still take them bucks and sit back to another $500.00 bottle of wine and reminisce about the good ole days.

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