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Israeli girls write messages on shells ready to be fired towards Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon.
Photo: AFP


Israel Pounds Lebanon

War Crimes


the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operation only against military objectives." (Article 48). . .

The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC) includes as war crimes: "Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities", and "Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects" (Article 8 2 (b) (i) and (ii)). '

Israel's view:

' The Israeli chief of staff, Brig.Gen. Dan Halutz, noted in public remarks that senior Hizbullah leaders live and work in southern Beirut, and said Beirut could be targeted if Hizbullah continued to fire rockets into northern Israel. "Nothing is safe [in Lebanon], it's as simple as that," Halutz said. '

update: Lisa Goldman who I don't believe is a regular reader of this blog posted a comment within minutes of when I posted this. Including a link to a post on her blog titled Putting Things In Perspective
she writes:

So, perhaps the parents were not wise when they encouraged their children to doodle on the tank shells. They were letting off a little steam after being cooped up - afraid, angry and isolated - for days. Sometimes people do silly things when they are under emotional stress. Especially when they fail to understand how their childish, empty gesture might be interpreted.

I titled my post Teach Your Children for a reason. The parents know that children like theirs in Lebanon are being killed. That they would allow their children to participate in writing messages on shells is certainly disgusting. The children are simply naive, but their parents certainly are not.

Teach Your Children Well
Their Father’s Hell
did Slowly Go By
And Feed Them On Your Dreams
The One They fix
The One You’ll Know By.

Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young


 

Comments

Why are the messages written in English?

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No "Civilian" ignores an evacuation order and becomes a human shield unless they are an Islamist Jihadist.

(Especially when they throw their children in front of targets then hold them up for the cameras.)

Hizbullah must be crushed,

Sorta like how the entire population of New Orleans managed to get out of the way of Hurricane Katrina before it hit, right? It's worth noting that New Orleans residents would have known that Katrina was on its way quite a bit longer in advance than people in Southern Lebanon would have known about Israeli aerial bombardment.

If I remember correctly, Juan Cole posted an estimate of 500,000 Lebanese who have now been made homeless due to Israeli bombing.

I'm waiting for zakdegrassi to blame the carpet bombing of Beirut and Southern Lebanon on Hizbullah, because they captured two soldiers.

You're right, it's really quite easy to evacuate your entire family at a moment's notice at the request of an attacking country, especially when you live in poverty and can't get to any kind of transportation. You're right "hizbullah," they're asking for it, huh?

First, to "Hezbollah Must be Crushed" you remind me of the people around here who said during Katrina "anybody who ignores an evacuation order deserves what they get." Fact is, some people cannot for economic, physical, political or personal reasons obay such an order. Nonetheless, death is not what they deserve.

Second, to Norm's comment that, "The children, I'm sure are free from any malice." I wonder, how did you come to that certainty? To many children, especially young ones, malice comes quite easily, it is empathy that usually requires maturity. This is an important point: the Palestinians, the Jews, the Taliban… nationalists everywhere and throughout history have taken advantage of the malice that comes so easily to children who live in the black and white, no shades of gray, world that immaturity yields.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the "innocent children" meme. Children are naive, but they are rarely innocent. They are people, with hates and loves like all people.

That's priceless. I cracked up imagining a bunch of greasy hippies sitting in a soul circle, strumming guitars and singing that old CSNY chestnut. "Teach your children ... how to toke, man!" "Make pot brownies, not war!"

Who needs to defend their homeland against terrorists when they can engage in a sing-along?

Second, to Norm's comment that, "The children, I'm sure are free from any malice." I wonder, how did you come to that certainty? To many children, especially young ones, malice comes quite easily, it is empathy that usually requires maturity.

You're right. Free from malice isn't accurate, naive is the right word. I've edited my comment.

Wow, that Lisa Goldman has some good reading on her blog. Not only the linked post, but the rest too. Especially interesting is the http://ontheface.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/16/2127651.html link.

What makes you think she made that post?

Eugene, because it said by Lisa Goldman.

I don't understand why onegoodmove seems to jump on the "hezb'Allah are innocent, israel is evil" bandwagon. Can't you see it's both isreal and hezb'allah who did each other injustice. Why only condemn one and not the other?

Neither ever realy wanted peace, both used peace talks as a PR stunt to look good when the next round of fighting would begin. "we signed the treaty so we wanted peace but they started again so it's our right to bash their head in".

Let's for once do the smart thing here. Let's stop supporting either and let them just fight it out. Stop the cash flow to them, the news about them, let's just ignore them for a while. They'll grow tired of war soon enough and then they'll be able to make peace by themselves.

In the meantime let's use our time and money for those who really will give a proper return on our help investment. Many in africa would like our help too you know.

As a Jew and a Zionist, I have to say I'm disgusted by that image. I'm sure everyone including Norm would agree it's at least as disgusting as Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw rocks at Israelis and strap bombs on to themselves to kill Israeli commuters.

Woops, I should have caught myself. Two wrongs don't make a right after all. So we'll let the Arab atrocities slide and focus on the SECOND wrong. (Note to self: reverse that logic and focus on the FIRST wrong, when the second wrong is committed by Arabs...)

Do you folks have any idea of the filth that most Muslims nations teach their children concerning Israel and the West? While I certainly do not support Israel 100% I feel that they reflect our values a hell of a lot more than ANY Muslim nation.

BTW the idiots miss spelled with they wrote it like this: whit

Idiots. Nobody is going to be able to read that. Besides, I'm sure there are better ways of communicating in these third world countries. Can't they tie a letter to the leg of a hawk or something?

I pray for the day when a newly developed postal service will put an end to all the violence.

"Sometimes people do silly things when they are under emotional stress. Especially when they fail to understand how their childish, empty gesture might be interpreted."

hmmm...... I wonder who this applies to ..... on Palestinians? How about Labanese ..? Only on israelis? why? Oh, because they are the only ones under emotional stress. Those Palestinians are only blowing themselves up beacuase they cannot bear their euphoric state of mind, their "ultimate lightness of being".

"Norm would agree it's at least as disgusting as Palestinian parents teaching their kids to throw rocks at Israelis and strap bombs on to themselves to kill Israeli commuters"

I certainly do, and this is not an example of the two wrongs fallacy. You didn't claim it was okay because they would do something similar.

"I don't understand why onegoodmove seems to jump on the "hezb'Allah are innocent, israel is evil" bandwagon"

Where is it exactly that I said that Hezbollah is innocent? Holding Israel to account for their excesses is not to exonerate the atrocities committed by their enemies.

Amir writes, "BTW the idiots miss spelled with they wrote it like this: whit"

It is misspelled Amir. When you criticize someone's spelling you should run your own through a spell checker.

If I remember correctly, Juan Cole posted an estimate of 500,000 Lebanese who have now been made homeless due to Israeli bombing.

The 500,000 estimate, which I also heard on TV, was of people who have been 'displaced' due to the conflict, not people who were made 'homeless'.

Although these may seem very similar, they really are not.

'Displaced' people are people who have fled their homes for the time being, likely because they didn't feel safe there.

'Homeless' people have had their homes destroyed, and have nothing to return to after the conflict ends.

To say that 500,000 have been made homeless is inaccurate and is a misrepresentation of the situation.

I'm waiting for zakdegrassi to blame the carpet bombing of Beirut and Southern Lebanon on Hizbullah, because they captured two soldiers

Carpet Bombing, eh?

"The phrases area bombing and carpet bombing refer to the use of very large numbers of unguided gravity bombs to attempt the complete destruction of a target region, either to destroy personnel and materiel, or as a means to demoralize the enemy. The phrase probably is intended to invoke the image of bombs completely covering an area, like a carpet."

I think it's pretty clear that Beirut is not being carpet bombed. Perhaps you've been watching a little too much of the Hezbollah news channel lately. [Good thing it's been taken off the air.]

CNN has quite a number of its correspondants operating inside Beirut. Do you really think they'd be there if the IDF was 'carpet bombing' the city? I sure don't.

By most accounts, Beirut has become a ghost city. Nearly all of the civilians who inhabited the city have left their homes and gone out into the countryside.

The only people who remain inside Beirut are those who were unable to flee, some government representatives, some UN and embassy staff, and of course the Hezbollah sentrys.

According to the CNN staff inside the city, there are many areas within the city where they are not permitted to go. Mind you, when I say permitted, I mean by Hezbollah's leadership, as they are the people who by all accounts control the city at this point.

So at this point, Hezbollah is operating unchecked throughout most areas of the city. It is also well documented that to this very day the government of Lebanon has made no attempts to control them.

With all of this in mind, however, I do feel that the IDF should end its bombings of the city. I really feel that although the IDF is operating in the city with good intentions (from their POV), the fact that civilian infrastructure continues to be impacted, albeit unintentionally, is just going to upset more people who may then become 'radicalized' [which seems to be the new MSM buzzword] when they return.

That said, if the IDF is able to identify targets of opportunity within the city, such as trucks moving rockets, mobile rocket launching systems, or other pieces of hezbollah's aresenal of terror, these should be taken out without hesitation.

I think that we need to find some way to encourage the Lebanese government to send its forces into Beirut in order to disarm Hezbollah.

I also recognize that many people feel the Lebanese military is not equiped to preform this task on their own, which is why I think they should be encouraged to allow a UN/EU/NATO force to act with them in a supporting role in order to accomplish this mission.

Admittedly it would be better if the Lebanese could do this on their own, but if they are not able to act on their own we should find some way to support them.

If they truly mean to bring resolution to this situation, they must disarm Hezbollah. Everyone recognizes that they cannot fully dismantle the organization, but they ARE able to remove its claws.

For too long the Lebanese government has been silent with regard to this matter. For too long they have allowed Hezbollah to act with impunity from within their borders.

If there is ever going to be a lasting peace between Israel and Lebanon, the Lebanese government must act in good faith to remove the threat to Israel (and to peace) that an uncontrolled Hezbollah represents.

Has there ever been a war where innocents have not been killed, where military strategies only targeted and destroyed enemy targets only? No. War is wrong, any way you look at it. Its a shame, all of it. Once again we witness the atrocies of religious differences between peoples. No rational thoughts, no logic, just kill because "they" are different. My god is better than yours! I have 3 kids , I teach them that all people no matter their race, are just like them and we all have to learn to live together. Many of the people in those middle east war torn areas come to America to escape that life, to make a life more productive, and safe for their families . Here we strive for tollerance (yes it took some doing), we work, play, live, love, side by side, pushing our hatred aside to co-exist peacefully. My daughter, age 5 , goes to school in a very diverse classroom with kids from all over the world, her best friends are and east indian girl, and a german girl, and here she is irish/english/french/native canadian mix. All of them, could care less what color the other is, what race, they see a another little kid who wants to play. Crosby Stills Nash and Young had it right when they sang Teach your children well...., the only way for world peace is to stop the hatred, stop the religious brainwashing, stop passing OUR bullsh*t along to our kids, and for their sake stop the war, because there will be nothing left for them. Peace to all.

What is it about this site that attracts hardcore, kill-the-Arabs Zionists like Valkesh and zakdegrassi?

Lebanon has 500,000 refugees, and the most pertinent thing you can think of to say about it is that those 500,000 are note necessarily permanently homeless?

Israel has been randomly bombing civilian targets all over Lebanon, such as Christian-owned LBC-TV, and the first thing you want to say about it is that this is not technically what the term "carpet bombing" means?

All this is a result of Hizbullah killing 5 or so Israeli soldiers and capturing two more. It now even seems to be the case that this took place inside Lebanon, and yet Hizbullah is a greater threat to peace in the region than Israel?

Anyway, I'm sure the Zionist crowd here will have fun picking apart this comment. Perhaps Hizbullah killed 7 soldiers instead of 5. Or maybe there are 490,000 refugees instead of 500,000.

the photo and our accompanying discussion reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote: "Kids are the best, Apu. You can teach them to hate the things you hate. And they practically raise themselves, what with the Internet and all."

anyway, i wanted to point out that there are promising "pockets" of co-existence and tolerance in the region that we seldom hear about in the media. there are summer camps attended by both palestinian and israeli children, and i'm pretty sure that missile-painting is not on the activities roster. they play soccer and engage in various activities that serve to humanize one another. some of their parents are business partners.

reaching that level is so commendable, as it calls for rising above the violent jingoism and religious brainwashing, which takes some serious chutzpah.

FYI: this is hardly a new phenomenon. here are more pics of innocent children led astray by their parents:

www.home.earthlink.net/~sableghost/normalsuicidebomber.jpg

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=18773

www.projectonesoul.com/israel2/israel2.htm

Same picture, same message, here. I add a quote from Roger Waters' album ("Amused to Death"). The song is called, "What God Wants."

The vast majority of the people killed by the Israelis have no connection with Hazbullah.

Collective punishment of civilians is a serious war crime. Serious enough to get a number of German and Japanese officers and leaders hung, after world war two.

What is happening in Lebanon is no different that what the Japanese did to the Chinese people when the surviving Doolittle raiders were protected by the Chinese resistance. They murdered two hundred and fifty thousand people as punishment.

The only difference I can see are the numbers. Unfortunately, the body count is just beginning.

In the context that we are speaking, the children dying in this conflict can certainly be said to be innocent of creating this situation. Babies don't shoot rockets or belong to political factions. And neither did most of their now dead parents.

This bombing campaign, designed to terrorize the civilian population is a bloody war crime, worthy of several hangings.

I like your website and applaud your views as morally biased an unpartisanned. If you are interested in world affairs, as you clearly are, I suggest you read, 'Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Showdown with Iran' - Kenneth Timmerman. Inside you will se evidence of America's and Germany's involvement in selling key nuclear weaponization technologies to Iran. Conversely, inside you will find an account given by an ex-Iranian intelligence officer whom explains how Iran was chiefly involved the logistical planning of 9/11.

Read this book if you want the clearest and most concisely referrenced book on 9/11 and the current Middle East turmoil. I am an expert in this area by occupation and in my opinion anyone seriously interested in the afforementioned affairs must read this book to delve beyond newspaper headlines into the higher degrees of truth.

I'll repeat what someone said earlier as I think its kind of important.

"Why is the text in English?"

I didn't notice this before, shouldn't they be writing in Hebrew?

I don't think the picture is faked, but maybe the English text is for a wider audience?

Anybody interested in a historical parallel... look up the Marco Polo Bridge incident.

A Japanese soldier was abducted (got lost, in fact) and this gave Japan the motive for invading the rest of China.

This picture made me feel ashame being an Israeli.

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Thanks to this site, which is one of the few places in the supposed anti-establishment MSM sites that continues to post some truth about Israel and Zionism.

The Zionists I know are people that are twisted with hate -- and use that hate as a privilege for moral cover. And as they brought that hate to the Middle East, so it has been reflected back to them. If this had been a picture of Arab children, it would have been plastered on billboards across the world. It's the same hypocrisy that you see in the right wing every day.

The excuses given by Zionists only serve to reinforce that they have no intellectual honesty or moral standing. All part of the corrosive effects that AIPAC and Zionism has had on the world.

The world, and the US in particular, would be better off without Zionism. Israel is not a legitimate country, it's an illegal invasion by a group of people. It is the right of the victims of genocidal occupation to repel the invaders, and it is not up to the world nor the victims of the invasion to find homes for the aggressors.

Thomasmccray, I'm sure you'd agree that what's happening in Lebanon is certainly less of a crime than what the US did in Japan. How many cities did the US level during WWII? How many civilians did the US knowingly kill? Answer: most of them. Were all the deaths in Nagasaki and Hiroshima "collective punishment" ... yup. That's war. Hurt the other side enough til it stops hurting you. Israel did not invent this strategy.

But to those who are claiming Israel is bombing Lebanese civilian targets willy nilly, this is a lie. Are civilians being hit. Yes, this is not laser eye surgery. But I just saw a report the other night about how Maronite areas are unscaithed, while Hezbollah suburbs are being hit. Israel is hitting those who are responsible for starting this and those who support them. When wars were simply one nation's armed forces vs another's, bombing civilian targets (sort of like what the US did to Germany and Japan in WWII) could be considered immoral. When wars are now fought by "civilians" who strap bombs onto the stomachs and step onto a bus crowded with commuters, then certainly one cannot call the former "civilians." It is Islamic radicals who changed the definition of 'soldier'. So it is Israel that has had to change the definition of 'civilian.'

And Ed, as for your description of me as a "hardcore kill-all-the-Arabs Zionist" read any of my posts and tell me where that describes my philosophy. I want Israel out of the West Bank and Gaza. That's hardly hardcore. But I'll remind you that Israel was out of Lebanon in 2000. So why were Hezbollah "soldiers" launching rockets at Haifa and kidnapping Israeli soldiers? Do you ever stop to ask yourself that? You guys always claim that the terrorism will end when the occupation ends. Well, the occupation of Lebanon ended 6 years ago. Maybe someone forgot to tell Hezbollah. (Or maybe as I suggested last week, the "occupation" issue is a red herring, because radical Islam, whether Palestinian or Hezbolah, believe all of Israel is occupied, and they will not rest until all of Israel is gone. So to them, I say, fuck you. Israel is not going anywhere. Join the 21st century, instead of the 6th, and then maybe we can talk. Until then, enjoy the fireworks.)

zakdegrassi,

In the very post where you tell me to read what you write and see if you're really a kill-all-the-Arabs Zionist, you attempt to justify killing large chunk of the civilian Shi`ite population of Lebanon.

I find it funny how with every inkling of blame going towards Hezbolah, some of it trickles down to Syria and Iran. The U.S. is not condemning Israel's actions cause it's going to use this current war as means of selling a war on Iran to the U.S. population. Maybe be a little "conspiracy theorist" but Israel is going after Hezbollah so that the U.S. can intervene and attack Iran the supposed "backers" of Israel.

to answer the question: "why are the girls painting english words?" most people in israel know at least some english, and i'm almost positive that english is offered as a 2nd language in grade schools (much in the way spanish and french are offered here).

also...israel's official languages are hebrew and arabic, but if you walk around, you'll hear many many other languages.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/People/SOCIETY-%20Minority%20Communities

"'Why is the text in English?'

I didn't notice this before, shouldn't they be writing in Hebrew?"

I was thinking it should be in Lebanese Arabic. Then again, English is the language both sides are most likely to know.

Most Israelis read and write modern Hebrew, but English is widely spoken there are well. Israel is a nation of immigrants, even more than the U.S. and the most universal second language there (even more than elsewhere) is English. I'm sure that the kids know Hebrew, however.

my 2 cents on the matter:

what's happening is exactly what hazbollah wanted to happen. They want the world outraged at Isreal, and they want to use the blood of innocents to outrage the world. Isreal is doing exactly what hazbollah expected and wanted. In turn, the US did exactly what it was going to do. It backed Isreal.

All this is meant to drive anti western thinking in the region, as Isreal is now the bully who beats on civilians, and we're the country that looked the other way while civilians were being killed.

The kidnapping of 2 Isreali citizens/soldiers was going to get this response and hezbollah knew it. This one is being played by the numbers... pure and simple.

It's the Cosa Nosta model here. (Hit them so hard and so bad that they never want to pick a fight again) versus the Cry for Justice model (look at those butchers killing our innocents)

It's a viscious cycle

It's nice to know everyone knows their roles...

fact is the Lebanese government is to blame for allowing an armed militant group to run around unchecked, and failing to secure it's borders

in the end, it's all going to wind up on the right people, the only question is, what's the body count going to be when it's all said and done, and will the people be smart enough to quit supporting the armed idiots that made this happen, or will they see them as fighters of oppression, and make the situation worse

Zakdegrassi, are you really using the crimes of war war two to justify the current crimes? Very facile.

I've never defended the A-bombing of civilians in Japan or the terror bombing before that.

It is true that WWII ushered in a new era of intentionally targeting civilians to terrorize the civilian population into submission but that seems a pretty damned slim argument for continuing the crimes against humanity.

Hey, some one did it before, so it's perfectly OK to do it here. That seems to be the basis for your argument.

And as Ed pointed out, you post seems to indicate that the writer has zero respect for non-Israeli human life.

They're writing in English because it's a photo-op, there's the guy who's taking thins pictue, and you can see another cameraman in the back. No Israeli-born children would write in English because it's their second language, in fact, I'm suprised they can even write in English at that age. Also, the Hebrew pronounciation of "Nazralla" has no hint of a Z in it, they should be writing "Nassralla". Gee, maybe they're Americans.

In "All Quiet On the Western Front," the hero goes home on leave and realizes that nobody has any idea what's going on in a war except the people who are in it. But even we backslapping second-guessers can see the war corroding people's spirits. Even the faces of young girls can eventually be peeled back to reveal hungry, grinning skulls.

All an army knows how to do is to hit the other side like a hammer. All an insurgency knows how to do is to give no quarter and fight to the death. Neither one is there to play cricket.

Despite my strong emotions to the contrary, I don't believe we can discuss the rightness of either cause, or the correct solution to these nations' competing goals, by first discussing their war crimes - because, as many have said, all acts in war are essentially war crimes. And after the peace, all soldiers and insurgents will become civilians again, if they're lucky enough, and they will have to live in it.

Nothing said here alters the fact that Israeli troops are terror bombing the civili9an population of neighboring country.

Nothing said here alters the fact that the overwhelming majority of people being murdered in Lebanon have nothing to do with Hamas or Hazbullah.

The milk factories, bridges, the power plants, the airport in Northern Lebanon, the water supply, all have been bombed out of existence and yet none of it relates to the hand full of people the Israelis claim they are after.

Israel and the US are going to have to live in the world they are creating, and that is going to become more and more difficult.

The world war that the US and Israel are working so hard to create is going to be a disaster beyond your imagination and yes, many many Israelis and Americans will die in it.

Those tiny little unguided rockets you are willing to commit genocide over, are nothing compared to what we are all going to be dodging if this push to permanent war continues.

Israel can not defend itself from what the Russians and Chinese will be tossing around, if this escalates to the real world war this stupid, blood thirsty revenge game is likely to invite.

To those blinded by hubris: No One Is Safe.

What is it about this site that attracts hardcore, kill-the-Arabs Zionists like Valkesh and zakdegrassi?

The thing that attracted me to this site was that people were having intelligent discussions about current events. I really enjoy talking about current events. That's why I'm here.

I dont hate Arabs, I dont want to kill any Arabs, and I dont want anyone else to kill any Arabs. In fact, I have a number of Arab friends. Further, I live in a country where we take great pride in our multiculturalism.

That said, I am not Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. Nor am I a Zionist. I'm a Canadian college student who enjoys talking about current events, that's all.

I believe that when people take part in a discussion like this that they should be accurate when they present information as facts.

The poster I quoted referenced another quote that said some 500,000 Lebanese civilians had been made homeless as a result of Israeli Air Force bombings. That is incorrect.

Most of the time when people say things like this, knowing that their information is inaccurate, they are doing it on purpose. They are using misinformation in order to sway the hearts and minds of people, and thus to gain their support.

Facts may not be important to you, Ed, but they are important to me. That's why I made the statements I did, not because I 'hate Arabs', but because I think people should be honest. Is that really so wrong of me?

It's really easy for you to call me an Arab hating warmonger, but it isn't true, and it's really quite cowardly of you to be honest.

You dont know anything about me, other than what I've posted here, and it seems clear that you're not really reading what I'm saying either. If you were, you would know that I've said that I think Israel should stop bombing Beirut.

Israel has been randomly bombing civilian targets all over Lebanon, such as Christian-owned LBC-TV

I've not read about this LBC-TV incident, but do you honestly think you can take one piece of 'evidence' and then accuse Israel of 'randomly bombing civilian targets all over Lebanon' ?

You're talking about one bomb here. I dont even know if they bombed that place on purpose, or if it was damaged by a nearby bomb strike, but that hardly supports the claim that Israel is 'RANDOMLY bombing civilian targets'.

If you want to talk about 'randomly bombing civilian targets', you should take a look at Hezbollah's weapons. They are absolutely and unequivically unguided. There is no attempt whatsoever to control where they land, other than to point them at Israel.

Hezbollah takes no measures to ensure they only attacking military targets at all. They are randomly striking civilian targets across Israel. These are facts, Ed.

If Israel were firing thousands upon thousands of unguided rockets into Lebanon then you could fairly say they were 'randomly bombing civilian targets across Lebanon', but that isn't the case, is it?

Stop making outrageous, and inflamitory, claims when you know there isn't any evidence to back them up.

All this is a result of Hizbullah killing 5 or so Israeli soldiers and capturing two more.

At least we can agree on which side initiated these recent hostilities.

Valkesh,

My apologies.

Apology accepted, Ed.

No hard feelings :)

Valkash, I have to point out some issues in your last posting.

Btw, I'm Chinese with no Arab friends and 1 Jewish cousin-in-law from israel and I lean towards Buddhism.

kindly note that Hezbollah is now sending rockets deeper into other parts as a direct consequence of Israel bombing the whole of Lebanon indiscriminately over a case of kidnapping.

The Hezbollah had never claimed that they would not hit civilain areas in Israel IN RETAILIATION FOR iSRAELI ATTACKS INTO civilian areas in Lebanon.

Hezbollah kidnapped 2 soldiers in South Lebanon = > Israeli bombas entire Lebanon = > Hezbollah answers by sending rockets deeper and deeper into Israel. Israel was the one who escalated a simple crime into an inexcusable act of war.

Kindly note that the Israeli are the ones who are claiming that their air bombing are surgical strikes designed to destroy the Hezbollah arsenal and resources.

However Israel is being condemned worldwide for bombing civilain areas, all public infrastructure with no regard for the deaths of innocents.

More than 750 Lebanaese civilains have died directly as a result of Israeli air bombings while Arab retailiatory rockets killed 24 Israerli civilains.

Even innocent foreigners are killed.

Read for yourself.

4 killed when Israel bombs U.N. post 26 July 06

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/aponremiea/mideastfightingunobservers5;ylt=AknAfopzbDvK4isvcp1wStEUvioA;ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

BEIRUT, Lebanon - A U.N. observer post was hit by an Israeli airstrike in south Lebanon Tuesday, killing four peacekeepers, U.N. officials said.

A bomb directly hit the building and shelter of an Indian patrol base from the observer force in the town of Khiyam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.

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Missiles hit a Lebanese TV station hard http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060722/apentv/mideastfightingtelevision;ylt=Ar4u5xr.MNaKCVUdzrq3oeVxFb8C;ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-

By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer Sat Jul 22, 6:52 PM ET

...warplanes on Saturday did knock a Lebanese station often critical of the guerrillas off the air in parts of the country...

Three missiles leveled a transmission station in Fatqa, about 10 miles northwest of Beirut, leaving it a mountain of rubble and twisted antennas. The head of LBC's transmission center, Sueliman Chidiac, was killed...

LBC was an unusual target for Israel to hit. The private station — mainly Christian-owned and once the mouthpiece for the Lebanese Forces, a powerful Christian militia during the 1975-1990 civil war — is often critical of the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah. An LBC comedy show caricaturing Hezbollah's leader raised protests in June.

The criticism continued in the early days of Israel's offensive against Lebanon, launched July 12 after Hezbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers. But even on LBC it has been increasingly overshadowed by national solidarity as casualties grew in the bombardment...

Vlakesh, Israel is randomnly bombing Lebanon is a fact.

Public places like the Lebanon airport, United Nations building and non-Hezbollah civilain structures are hit by the Israelis all ovger Lebanon.

When Hezbollahs' stronghold is just in South Lebanon, where it ghrew as a resistance movement against Israel's invasion and occupation of South Lebanon for 18 years.

Kindly acknowledge the point that bombing the whole of Lebanon is clearly senseless and an act of indiscrinmate force, clearly designed to pubish the entire Lebanon nation and government.

And under UN rules, such attacks on civilians by Israel to achieve political objectives are deemed terrorist acts.

No one here is questioning whether you are an Arab hater. But I do want to ask if support Israel's use of terrorist air bombings to intimidate, punish and toture and entire nation over the actions of a few militants in South Lebanon.

UN Slams Israel over Lebanon Strikes as Killing Rages on. Published on Monday, July 24, 2006 by Agence France Presse

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0724-04.htm

Exerpt:

UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland, in Beirut to launch a urgent appeal for funds for half a million people made homeless by the conflict, made no attempt to hide his fury as he toured bombed-out areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters in the southern suburbs of Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold.

Asked if the Israeli raid that destroyed the burned-out buildings before him constituted a war crime, he replied: "It makes it a violation of humanitarian law."

So much for Israeli compassion for civilains and non-combatants. Sigh.

One of the dead was identified as Chinese U.N. observer Du Zhaoyu...The other three observers were from Austria, Canada and Finland but it wasn't clear which two were confirmed killed, U.N. and Lebanese military officials said.

Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman expressed his "deep regret" for the deaths and denied the post was intentionally targeted.

Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing "continued even during the rescue operation," Struger said..."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060726/aponremiea/mideastfightingunobservers;ylt=AhNKcynU1OPZi.PTQ0zKkhYUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-

Btw, the Israeli air strike was a direct hit on the United Nations position. This is not an accident or a miss.

Kes, I'd like you to read the following, and then respond.

Here are things, the way I see them. I'd like to know if you agree.

Hezbollah is firing rockets into Israel because Israel is bombing their positions in Lebanon.

Israel is bombing Hezbollah's positions in Lebanon because they kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, and killed 8 others, without provocation. [This is only the most recent attack Hezbollah has conducted. There have been many others over the past few years. Although most people recognize this already, I can provide proof if you'd like.]

Hezbollah kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, and killed 8 others, because they were attempting to force a prisoner exchange upon Israel.

[Hezbollah does this knowing that Israel's current government has stated that they will not engage in a prisoner exchange with either Hamas or Hezbollah. Though other governments have conducted such exchanges, this government has decided it will not accept this position, as it creates a precident whereby terrorist organizations can kidnap X number of soldiers in order to secure the freedom of X number of terrorists inside Israel.]

Now, a few other things before I end this post.

...when Hezbollahs' stronghold is just in South Lebanon, where it grew as a resistance movement against Israel's invasion and occupation of South Lebanon for 18 years.

I do not agree with this assertion.

While Hezbollah has maintained a lot of military infrastructure inside south Lebanon, it is not their 'only stronghold'.

Hezbollah has deeply intrenched itself within the capitol of Beirut. This is obvious when you look at the number of Hezbollah offices and buildings within the city itself.

Hezbollah knows that they are vulnerable in the south. They have known this for years. They routinely fire rockets into Israel, and Israel routinely sends gunships and aircraft to combat their militiamen [in the south].

With that in mind, think to yourself, "If I were Hezbollah, where would I hide my weaponry, leadership, and other valuable equpiment? In the south, where it is vulnerable to Israeli reprisal attacks, or in the North, which has been [traditionally] off-limits to Israeli forces"

Consider that for a moment, before you chastize Israel for striking at militia targets in the Northern area of the country.

Kindly acknowledge the point that bombing the whole of Lebanon is clearly senseless and an act of indiscrinmate force, clearly designed to pubish the entire Lebanon nation and government.

I do not agree with this assertion, either.

Israel is trying to strike at Hezbollah targets inside Lebanon. Hezbollah has purposely mixed its positions, and weapon launching facilities, in amongst the civilian population of Lebanon, both in the Southern zone, which Israel pulled out of in 2000 in accordance with UN Resolution 1559, and in the North [including Beirut].

If you agree with that paragraph, then you cannot claim that Israel is acting indiscriminately.

The term indiscriminate implies that Israel is not specifically targeting anyone, and that they are just randomly tossing artillery shells and dropping bombs here and there without any reason, and that their only intent is to kill people. Not Hezbollah gunmen, not Lebanese troops, just random people.

I dont think that this is the case at all.

The way I see it, Israel is attacking Hezbollah targets inside Lebanon because Hezbollah has taken Israeli prisoners, demanded an unacceptable prisoner exchange with Israel, and because they continue to fire rockets into Israel.

I see no evidence to support the claim that Israel is randomly bombing Lebanon.

The way I see it, this would all be over if the Lebanese government would demand the return of Hezbollah's prisoners, and then agree to work with the international community to disarm Hezbollah and secure the southern tip of their country.

Instead they've chosen to cry out before the world that "Poor little Lebanon is being attacked by the crazy Israeli warmachine."

Fact: Israel pulled out of Lebanon in the year 2000 in accordance with UN Resolution 1559, and under the condition that Southern Lebanon be cleaned up, and that Hezbollah be removed from the region.

Fact: Lebanon took no steps to do so.

Fact: Israel has made it clear that they need to have certain things accomplished before they feel they can stop their campaign against Hezbollah.

Fact: Lebanon is in a position to deliver on several of these criteria. [Lebanon may not be able to unilaterally disarm Hezbollah, but they ARE in a position to request assistance in doing so.]

Fact: Lebanon IS in a position that would allow them to demand the return of the Israeli prisoners.

Kes, I'd like you to read the following, and then respond.

Here are things, the way I see them. I'd like to know if you agree.

Hezbollah is firing rockets into Israel because Israel is bombing their positions in Lebanon.

Israel is bombing Hezbollah's positions in Lebanon because they kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, and killed 8 others, without provocation. [This is only the most recent attack Hezbollah has conducted. There have been many others over the past few years. Although most people recognize this already, I can provide proof if you'd like.]

Hezbollah kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers, and killed 8 others, because they were attempting to force a prisoner exchange upon Israel.

[Hezbollah does this knowing that Israel's current government has stated that they will not engage in a prisoner exchange with either Hamas or Hezbollah. Though other governments have conducted such exchanges, this government has decided it will not accept this position, as it creates a precident whereby terrorist organizations can kidnap X number of soldiers in order to secure the freedom of X number of terrorists inside Israel.]

Now, a few other things before I end this post.

...when Hezbollahs' stronghold is just in South Lebanon, where it grew as a resistance movement against Israel's invasion and occupation of South Lebanon for 18 years.

I do not agree with this assertion.

While Hezbollah has maintained a lot of military infrastructure inside south Lebanon, it is not their 'only stronghold'.

Hezbollah has deeply intrenched itself within the capitol of Beirut. This is obvious when you look at the number of Hezbollah offices and buildings within the city itself.

Hezbollah knows that they are vulnerable in the south. They have known this for years. They routinely fire rockets into Israel, and Israel routinely sends gunships and aircraft to combat their militiamen [in the south].

With that in mind, think to yourself, "If I were Hezbollah, where would I hide my weaponry, leadership, and other valuable equpiment? In the south, where it is vulnerable to Israeli reprisal attacks, or in the North, which has been [traditionally] off-limits to Israeli forces"

Consider that for a moment, before you chastize Israel for striking at militia targets in the Northern area of the country.

Kindly acknowledge the point that bombing the whole of Lebanon is clearly senseless and an act of indiscrinmate force, clearly designed to pubish the entire Lebanon nation and government.

I do not agree with this assertion, either.

Israel is trying to strike at Hezbollah targets inside Lebanon. Hezbollah has purposely mixed its positions, and weapon launching facilities, in amongst the civilian population of Lebanon, both in the Southern zone, which Israel pulled out of in 2000 in accordance with UN Resolution 1559, and in the North [including Beirut].

If you agree with that paragraph, then you cannot claim that Israel is acting indiscriminately.

The term indiscriminate implies that Israel is not specifically targeting anyone, and that they are just randomly tossing artillery shells and dropping bombs here and there without any reason, and that their only intent is to kill people. Not Hezbollah gunmen, not Lebanese troops, just random people.

I dont think that this is the case at all.

The way I see it, Israel is attacking Hezbollah targets inside Lebanon because Hezbollah has taken Israeli prisoners, demanded an unacceptable prisoner exchange with Israel, and because they continue to fire rockets into Israel.

I see no evidence to support the claim that Israel is randomly bombing Lebanon.

The way I see it, this would all be over if the Lebanese government would demand the return of Hezbollah's prisoners, and then agree to work with the international community to disarm Hezbollah and secure the southern tip of their country.

Instead they've chosen to cry out before the world that "Poor little Lebanon is being attacked by the crazy Israeli warmachine."

Fact: Israel pulled out of Lebanon in the year 2000 in accordance with UN Resolution 1559, and under the condition that Southern Lebanon be cleaned up, and that Hezbollah be removed from the region.

Fact: Lebanon took no steps to do so.

Fact: Israel has made it clear that they need to have certain things accomplished before they feel they can stop their campaign against Hezbollah.

Fact: Lebanon is in a position to deliver on several of these criteria. [Lebanon may not be able to unilaterally disarm Hezbollah, but they ARE in a position to request assistance in doing so.]

Fact: Lebanon IS in a position that would allow them to demand the return of the Israeli prisoners.

Hi Valkesh, I've read what you have to say and I am appalled by your obvious bias and your supposedly neutral attitude to the Arabs.

I can't help but feel that the pro-Israeli crowd is now trying to use a sympathetic and reasonable veneer to peddle half-truths to help Israel's inhumane actives.

Let's expose them and their soc-alled facts to the light of the day, shall we?

Here's a brutal but realistic rebuttal of all your superficial assumptions, which you call facts that has no credible proof.

1] You did not go further in tracing back the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. The Hezbollah movement started as a direct consequence of the illegal Israeli invasion and occupation of Palestine, Gaza Strip and West Bank, which is condemned by the United Nations.

Arab resistance fighters escaped to Lebanon after Israeli occupation of their lands and fought from there. IN 1982, Israel invaded and occupied South Lebanon to root out these militants.

However, the use of indiscriminate Israeli military force on civilians and their property created a home-grown Lebanese resistance movement in South Lebanon called the Hezbollah.

Even after 18 years of occupation which only ended in 2000, there has never been any truce declared between the Hezbollah and Israel in Southern Lebanon.

At the same time, a democratically elected government came to power in Lebanon which wanted independence from Syria, a key Hezbollah backer. This Lebanese government has the majority support of most of its population, unlike the Hezbollah, which was widely seen as a Syrian tool.

However, the government lacks the military force to control Hezbollah and is forced by circumstances to give it a minor role in the government, as the Hezbollah are credited for their resistance to Israeli occupation, which wore down the military strength and resolve of the Israelis to hang on to Lebanon.

FACT. The Lebanon’s government is not in any position to demand the return of the Israeli prisoners. The Lebanese government couldn’t even take-over the policing of South Lebanon and disarm Hezbollah, which were the terms negotiated between the United Nations and Israel to facilitate Israeli withdrawal from Southern Lebanon in 2000.

In fact, even Syria, Hezbollah's backer and protector, has no such power, even if Syria did threaten to intervene if Israel invaded South Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah.

Get your facts right. Your claim that the Lebanese government can arrange a release is baseless.

Valkesh lies when he says:

Fact.Lebaonon took no steps to do so

Fact: Lebanon is in a position to deliver on several of these criteria. [Lebanon may not be able to unilaterally disarm Hezbollah, but they ARE in a position to request assistance in doing so.]

1] Lebanon’s government is now in NO position to request assistance of any kind, when it can’t even request or plead for a ceasefire from US and Israel. And as long as no ceasefire is in place, it can forget about other countries sending more help and personel into Lebanon.

2] Contrary to what Valkesh claims, Lebanon did ask for the United Nation’s aid since 2000 to supervise the withdrawal of Israeli occupying force from Southern Lebanon and help police the area. The United Nations peacekeeping force is still in Southern Lebanon but they are ineffective in policing the area as well. And no foreign countries are willing to commit any more troops to help the Lebanese government police South Lebanon, let alone disarm the Hezbollahs.

No Troop Commitments for Lebanon By ELAINE SCIOLINO and STEVEN ERLANGER Published: July 25, 2006

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/25/world/middleeast/25force.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin PARIS, July 24 — Support is building quickly for an international military force to be placed in southern Lebanon, but there remains a small problem: where will the troops come from?

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Btw, your writing style reminds me of someone else here. I will follow up on this later : >

By the way, Israel withdrew its occupation from Southern Lebanon ONLY PARTLY due to a UN resolution, especially when Israel has defied more than 22 United Resolutions against its activities.

The main reason for the wtidrawal of Israel's occupying force was the resistance from the Hezbollah. It is credited with wearing down the resolve of the Israeli military and people by fighting a guerilla war of resistance for 18 years against Israel.

Valkesh, best to stop trying to score brownie points with the supported of the United Nations here. We know Israel's track record as well as you do : >

2] Your comment that Hezbollahs has buildings in Beirut to support your case that Hezbollah has strongholds outside Lebanon is a kindgergarden type of argument which ignores content.

Because of necesity and because of the key role the Hezbollah played in fighting Israel's illegal and universaaly condemned occupation in South Lebanon, the Lebanese government has to recongise the polictical legitimacy of the Heabollah by giving it the role of a minor party in the government. That's why the Hezbollah has buildings in Beirut, along with the fact that it runs charities in Lebanon.

It makes perfecr military sense that the Hezbollah keeps its military strength and its stronghold in South Lebanon, away from th control of the Lebanese democratic government who is bound by the UN to disarm the Hezbollah

3] I stand firm on the point that bombing the whole of Lebanon is clearly senseless and an act of indiscrinmate force, clearly designed to pubish the entire Lebanon nation and government.

It is senseless and indiscriminate to bomb all of Lebanon for a kidnapping case carried out in South Lebanon by a South Lebanese resistance group, which is nor truly part of the democractic government which has no control over it.

It is senseless and indiscrimate to EQUATE KILLING of 750 Lebanese civilains by Israeli air strikes to the 24 Israeli civilains killed by Hezbollah's ANSWERING rocket fire, which intensified as a result of Israel's illegal war against Lebanon.

It is senseless and indiscriminate for Israel to bomb civilain homes, cars on the road, infrastucture owned by Hezbollah's local opponents, as well as foreign installations like the Airport, United Nation building in a so-called quest to root out the Hezbollahs and their rockets, which is in South Lebanon.

It makes perfect sense only if you consider that Israel is enagaging in collective punishment of all of Lebanon and all its people, as well as all the foreign travellers and investors to weaken Lebanon on its frontiers, draw US into a conflict with Iran and Syria to destroy all military threats at its borders.

Otherwise it is senseless to invade and bomb a country WITHOUT WARNING for a kidnapping case in Southern Lebanon that can be resolved by a prisoner exchange or a commando rescue as in the case of 1974.

By targeting civilains as a terroist method to achive policial ends, Israel has once again violate the UN charter and all humanitarian principles and is condemned as such.

Valkesh, if you have to lie to protect Israel, try harder and stop pretending you have nothing against the Arabs.

Obviously Israel's kill rate of 750 Arab civilians for every 24 Israeli civilians killed doesn't seem to trouble you.

Btw, that's an old figure, current 5 days back.

TYPO: 2] Your comment that Hezbollahs has buildings in Beirut to support your case that Hezbollah has strongholds outside Lebanon is a kindgergarden type of argument which ignores CONTEXT.

If people are wondering if I have anything against israel, put yourself in my shoes.

You are part of a charitable network trying to collect dollars and cents to help the Lebanese people to get food and medical supplies and you are wondering what's the point when US gives Israel 4 billion dollars a year along with the latest weapons to wage its wars against Lebanon and other Arab countries.

News that Bush is hastening the shipment of a new generation of precision bombs to Israel to help Israel stock up is like a dagger in my heart.

I am under no illusions that people like me are contributing a mere drop in a bucket in trying to help the Lebanese people against such odds.

We probably won't be able to help much and we can expect the scorn and personal attacks of the pro-Israeli crowd who defends the killings of these Lebanese civilains in a senseless air blitzreig by Israel.

All I will say is that while such people may affect my belief that democratic and humanitarian values are supposed to be universal and equally applied to all, the actions of US and Israel in their military aggression in the Middle East have more or less lost the hearts and minds of the younger generation of people worldwide, who will be the future leaders of their country. Even though we may not be able to do much good to help the Lebanese right now...

So speaks a Chinese in Asia with Buhddhist leanings, no Arab friends and one Jewish cousin-in-law from Israel. But I won't be the only speaking in the near future.

Count on it.

Thank you for posting this photo and information rarely presented in American media. Children taught to hate grow up as warriors, wreaking havoc. No doubt this is an extreme example, but the point is, these children's actions are reactions to years of the Arab-Israeli conflict and inbred distrust of one another. As a journalist, I spent years in the Middle East and I've seen how rage turns into hatred and hatred into something far worse. I'm glad I discovered your blog (through a French connection). :)

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