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Dixie Chicks with Larry King

The Dixie Chicks on Larry King Live. A wide ranging interview with all the standard stuff plus the Dixie Chicks on Donald Rumsfeld, and an answer to the question would they perform for the troops.



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Indeed, if this is the land of the free and the home of the brave, then everyone should applaud someone telling their truth about our country going to war. This nonsense about how someone shouldn't be critical of our country when on foreign soil angers me. We live together as people on this globe and our actions as a country do affect other countries.

Thanks Norm! Excellent work, as usual!

Do you happen to have their interview from 60 minutes?

:D

Thanks Norm!

I went out and bought their newest CD.

I guess this is a way I show that I mostly agree with what they say and more importantly I support their right to say it.

**Give me a few days to give my reviews on their music. And thanks, Norm for providing this interview.

"Indeed, if this is the land of the free and the home of the brave, then everyone should applaud someone telling their truth about our country going to war."

Particularly after everyone else has already done it. Man, those chicks have a lot of courage.

"I went out and bought their newest CD."

Gee, I'm sure that wasn't their goal at all.

"Would they perform for the troops"

Well, seeing as they're complete whores, I'm certain they would 'perform' for any troops who fronted the cash.

I realize that it's pointless to argue this, since you idealogues only glance at dissenting viewpoints long enough to pigeonhole their speakers into some handy stereotype ('neocon', 'right-winger', 'Bush-lover', etc).

But what dooms any group is losing perspective.

These women are not heroes. They are not speaking up in troubled times. They are not raising a dissenting voice. Just like Alan Jackson with his gaudy, tacky 9/11 song, they are capitalizing. They waited until they were absolutely sure that there would be no backlash against speaking out, then started immediately with the press conferences to tell us how brave they are for speaking out and saying what everyone else already thinks and knows.

I guess, really, it's my fault for thinking that anyone would be clever enough to recognize this. People can put on different t-shirts and buttons and wave different flags but really everyone's the same. Tell them what they want to hear, and they'll eat it up. Everyone wonders how Bush got re-elected - it's because people are stupid. Not just Republicans, but people in general. They honestly believe whatever they're told, as long as it comes wrapped in a pretty bow of earnestness and aw-shucks humility.

Maybe instead of pointing out this kind of stuff I should capitalize on it as well. I think I'll form a band, release a single called "Bush Is a Fucktard" (lyrics: "Bush is a fucktard, la la la la ..." - now that's political commentary), and make a few million dollars off these latte-sipping idiots. I could even sell my CD in Starbucks for $20.

The system works.

average_joe, i don't know if you watched the video or not, but they spoke out IN TROUBLED TIMES. They spoke out against the war before we got into it, they're not just capitalizing off of it.

Great post, Norm! Thank you! Most artists possess the ability to see deeply into the human condition and feel a need to write and respond to their observations. I may not be a fan of their music but I can connect with and appreciate The Dixie Chicks sincerity.

I wonder if AverageJoe was the one who wrote them the hate letter that inspired their new hit song. Hmm… think I’ll go write a song called “AverageJoe Is a Fucktard”… Nah, way to boring. I’ll go do something positive with my time.

That “Bush is a Fucktard” could also be a great new political dance craze.. If I may. (Please note it’s a rough first draft and I’m open for new choruses.

Shake it in the bone yard And do the Bush is a fucktard Twist your hips – it’s not that hard Everybody do the Bush is a fucktard

This latest dance craze ain’t no yawn Do it on the White House Lawn Come on white boy you can’t go wrong Dance to the Bush is a fucktard song

It makes you crazy like his war It’s hot today and tomorrow a bore In fact this dance craze is already grating And as popular as George’s approval rating

Like civil liberties that have been barred Everyone do the Bush is a fucktard

Good song Mike, although you didn't add Average_Joe's "la la la la" part. That's really the heart of it.

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I'm not really sure what exactly got the Dixie Chicks on the cover of Time, made into symbols of the anti-war movement. 1) They made the bizarre statement that they are ashamed Bush is from Texas (he's so uncharacteristic of your state, I know) 2) a lot of people in country music crucified them for it since they can't stand the slightest criticism of Bush 3) now they write songs about all their trials as Bush critics.

Am I missing something? I've never heard any anti-war songs from them, any participation in any significant political opposition at all. Did they campaign for Kerry? Perhaps they did, I can't remember. The one thing they did that people talk about is say that they didn't like Bush, in front of a foreign audience who they knew would eat it up. Time, if you want to call someone radical for sticking their neck out to slam Bush, put Stephen Colbert on the cover. Oh, I forgot the media was steamed about Colbert's roast of Bush so therefore it's not news.

Why must the Dixis Chicks be characterized to either end of the spectrum? They're not heroes any more than they are Hussein sympathizers.

Natalie Maines is just an opinionated girl who likes to speak her mind, but because she's a country singer (and from Texas to boot) the media turned the girls into either a poster group for anti-American "traitors" or heroes to the cause of peace.

//I realize that it's pointless to argue this, since you idealogues only glance at dissenting viewpoints long enough to pigeonhole their speakers into some handy stereotype ('neocon', 'right-winger', 'Bush-lover', etc). //

And this from a kid who refers to liberals as Prious-driving, hippie tree-huggers who all drink their coffee at Starbucks.

Erick, don't you think it would even be better if he added "tra la la la la"?

"And this from a kid"

While I appreciate the compliment, I'm hardly a kid.

"who refers to liberals as Prious-driving, hippie tree-huggers who all drink their coffee at Starbucks"

Your point being?

That's not a flaw in my ideology. It's a stereotype. And the reason stereotypes exist is because people tend to act in stereotypical manners.

I think it's pretty safe to say that anyone who wants to label themselves can't object to being labeled by others. Branding yourself a 'liberal' is so self-congratulatory and smug.

And, by the way, it's Prius. Not Prious. Perhaps you keep misspelling it because most people who drive the Prius consider themselves to be pious? There was an episode of South Park about that ...

//While I appreciate the compliment, I'm hardly a kid//

You are old and wise, eh?

//And the reason stereotypes exist is because people tend to act in stereotypical manners//

Including yourself?

//Branding yourself a 'liberal' is so self-congratulatory and smug//

Why, thank you. Being liberal is, indeed, a quality worth stiving for, and thus deserving of being smug and self-congratulatory about. I work at it everyday.

//And, by the way, it's Prius. Not Prious.//

Thank you for that precision, notwithstanding your smart ass way of pointing that out.

It is amazing how all you guys are now ready to rally to the Dixie's support. Back when they were being lambasted for criticising the magnificent moron president, where were you?

Probably with the rest of the mob burning their CDs and spitting on their image.

How fickle the nation is. No wonder stupid wars start.

Even the principle of political disagreement with Bush being unpatriotic was a terrifying abuse of the constitution. Yet the great dreaming American public just lapped it up and watched the terror alert level go from orange to red, shivering in fear as they were instructed to do.

The recently uncovered widespread spying and wiretapping hasn't elicited much criticism.

And now suddenly everyone is an enlighted Dixie Chick. Are you still eating Freedom Fries?

I am sure most will respond to this post and claim - I always supported the Dixies. Yeah right. Where were you when it mattered?

"They waited until they were absolutely sure that there would be no backlash against speaking out,"

I am pretty sure they were speaking out when it was unfasionable to do so (2003). Don't you remember the whole "Boycott the Dixie Chicks" drive and radio stations refusing to play thier music because they said bad things about Bush?

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You know, it's quite facinating to read about the same political topic on both liberal and conservative blogs. On both the majority agree with each other and the few who desent usually start off with some seemingly valid point only to resort to personal attacks and stereotyped barbs about people with the opposite opinion. It's like dialogue, the purpose of these forums, goes out the window the momment emotion kicks in. Why are ideas so inflamitory? I'm asking because it happens to me too. I get really upset and angery in political or religous discussions with someone who disagrees with me. Any thoughts?

"I am pretty sure they were speaking out when it was unfasionable to do so (2003). Don't you remember the whole "Boycott the Dixie Chicks" drive and radio stations refusing to play thier music because they said bad things about Bush?"

Um, yeah, they said something on stage at a concert abroad - pandering to their foreign audience. It was reported at home, and people started yelling at them, they started losing record sales and fans ... so they essentially backed off the position. Until it became popular enough here for them to take a stand.

I don't understand why someone else has to point out that this is opportunistic. Isn't it obvious?

I am loathe to drink starbucks coffe--or any at all, tea is best. I do a lot of things associated with the stereotypical right. In fact, before I typed this I had to wipe my hands clean of the remniants of my baffalo wings. I believe in limited government and am ambivilant on several types of abortions out there.

While it would be disingenuous to say I am not a liberal; it is equally so to lump me into the stereotypes formed by the right, or, if you insist, by themselves. That is precisely why the media and liberals--no they are not one in the same, shut up--became so interested in these country musicians. And it is important to ignore those who foist the stereotypes on us. Many of the people in this country are complex: they fall on any place, depending on the issues, of the political spectrum.

¡Viva la revolución!

The Chicks are allowed, "Average Joe", to respond to all the numbskulls in the country music/right-wing/redneck establishment who tarred and feathered them in the first place.

They're the best-selling female act in HISTORY - what are they going to do, not put out another album because a "fucktard" like yourself will accuse them of using the controversy? Dude, crawl back under whatever rock you came from. Go sell cynicism somewhere else. Tool.

"Go sell cynicism somewhere else."

Your psychotic raving aside, this is an interesting statement. Because, you see, my cynicism is free. However people like the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, and Neil Young are selling you cynicism ... and you eat it up like an overpriced Hummus-on-bagel sandwich from your local hippie shop. And you guys call yourselves 'enlightened'.

Isn't it ironic?

Don't you think?

The best part of the whole video (I agree, thanks, Norm!) was the bit of the anthem at the end. I guess I'm a sucker for gals belting out close harmony like that.

Oh, Average Joe, your unintentional irony is savagely funny.

I am beginning to wonder if it is unintentional. Average_joe is only playing a buffoon and we're all falling for his seemingly dull Character. I like your schtick, Joey.

Well done!

yes, falling for trolls is bad. the personal insults are coming from all around though, and that's just as bad.

I don't see what the Chicks are doing now as "opportunistic." They are music artists in a capitalist country, they are hugely popular, they are promoting a new album... this is all very normal. If they went on Larry King and didn't talk about those comments from three years ago, I think it would be dishonest. This is what has gone on in these girls' lives. It's still very relevant.

We’re all drawn here because we more or less like where Norm is coming from. We take solace and share a kindred spirit here. I wonder why someone would frequent OGM if they love Bush/ aren’t disgusted by this whole administration/ have theocratic leanings, etc. I guess it’s akin to pushing a bruise.

“4 out 5 Dentist’s recommend sugarless gum to their patients who chew gum”. There will always be people like Average Joe who would be that 1 in 5 that will always serve as impediments to peace, justice and progress.

I think it may have been on onegoodmove.

I once saw a long list of right wing radio & TV personalities, & writers. It was in answer to the liberal media & how conservatives have no voice..

Anyone have a list like that, or a link?

Please post it.

It would be a good response to how liberals spend all their money on cynicism, while conservatives spend all theirs on hate.

Thanks

It would be a good response to how liberals spend their money on cynicism. By showing how conservatives spend theirs on hate.

That sentence was too weird.

I think Average Joe & Bob Wood may be the same person…only question is who’s bobbing whose wood?

Crude & cheap, but I found it irresistable

Joe, only someone with a paranoid "psychosis" would suggest that entertainers are somehow more dangerous than incompetents actually in positions of power.

Idiot.

Elizabeth,

You asked: "Why are ideas so inflamitory? ... I get really upset and angery in political or religous discussions with someone who disagrees with me. Any thoughts?"

My thoughts: People define themselves by what they are not. Go to a football game and notice not a stadium full of football fans, but people who are against the Visiting Team. If you into that newfangled Evolution-thing, this is a survival traight. It keeps a tribe together to face a common enemy.

An outside person or idea quickly brings us to murderous, hateful thought. In times of war, a passive mind would be dead.

In my mind it takes education to avoid this. Exposure to various opinions. It's odd how 'liberals' often support the idea of 'multiple opinions' counting (suffrage for women, blacks, equal education, etc) and how fragile that idea is when a Mad Cowboy stirs up the hating hind-brain of Americans who have never traveled.

Multiple opinions (melting pot) are the overwhelming strength of this great country. To examine your goverment closely is a democratic citizen's duty and highly patriotic.

Frightened: that saying 'I don't like the president' is unpatriotic. Were Clinton-bashers unpatriotic and should O'Reilly have said 'love it or leave it' to them? Ugh.

At Bookstore: found a photojournalism book. Lotsa Pics of Pro-Vietnam (!) Protesters. Oddly, they used all the same slogans as today. It was honestly scary. Love it. Leave it. Hateful hindbrain or a respecter of multiple opinions?

"Um, yeah, they said something on stage at a concert abroad - pandering to their foreign audience. It was reported at home, and people started yelling at them, they started losing record sales and fans ... so they essentially backed off the position. Until it became popular enough here for them to take a stand."

They never actually backed down, and they didn't loose record sales. They did loose airtime in the US though.

I honestly don’t think the Dixie Chicks (Natalie in particular) wanted to create a controversial CD just to generate revenue. Their motivation was mostly an artist’s desire to set the record straight.

Average Joe contends we are all pretty gullible. Well, that’s a pretty big group of us who bought the new CD. It hit the Number One slot this week. (See MSNBC news)

There might be several factors involved: Yes, they have a great Public Relations machination at work. (Who doesn’t when you’re a top-notch recording group.) There are people who are buying the CD as a show of support. I would wager a guess a lot of people who don’t necessarily like alternative-country-western music are buying the CD. I believe some of the sales of the CD are probably in direct response to those who made the news being shown jumping up and down on the old Dixie Chicks’ CDs

What I get from the interview is how the Dixie Chicks witnessed pure hatred and the resulting obsessive desire to decimate their careers simply because they voiced an alternative opinion. They should not be surprised. It would be expected when you have conservative talk-show rants, the pseudo-red-neck radio stations censoring and certain influential C&W performers inflaming the controversy, you can incite a pretty successful commercial-retail boycott.

And, THEO, your astute comment should be placed at the top of this forum/discussion. Thanks.

There's no bad publicity--which is why I'm trying to write a novel the vatican will condem, now that's good publicity.

And so, the thing I take from the Chicks episode, isn't that they're influencing anyone new to the idea that George Bush is something to be a ashamed of; they're preaching to the choir. The only thing I take from this is, the Chicks represent Average Americans; they're not professional political analysts, just someone, reading the newspaper, who's concerned with the direction of the country. The unfortunate thing is they can communicate this to a wider group of people; a position that puts a bur under the saddle of those who disagree.

gash darn Marco...the "bur under the saddle"® is MY euphemism! But, I’ll allow it this time.

Craig, How could you or anyone compare Bush-bashers & Clinton-bashers.

All Bush did was steal the presidency, Give away our children’s future to the rich, Strip us of our personal rights & freedoms, & kill 10s of thousands of innocents in our name.

While that amoral Clinton had sex.

Obviously there is no comparison.

OK, That's not all Bush has done, but you get my point.

Although I like what the Dixie Chicks are doing, I have to agree with Average_Joe at the same time. If you can't see this as opportunistic, then, I really don't know. I have no point. I guess I see no reason to flame Joe, that's all.

I've been reading all the comments going back and forth from average_joe and everybody else, and I find it totally out of place and ridiculous for a person to come to a message board and start spouting bull shit right-wing garbage, on an openly liberal site. you really must be an idiot joe.

By the way great video, there is so much crap in the media, yet your site somehow filters it down to the short pure snippets of video, good job

Opportunistic?

"Ohio" was written by Neil Young while walking in the woods a day after the Ohio State Massacre. A day or two later it was recorded and then relased as a single that got enormous airplay.

It was a much needed message at the time. It allowed many people with dissenting opinions a chance to voice thier dissent, to gather around and express thier anger. Never undersetimate how important that is in this Media Controlled culture. We need dissent and we need people to step forward first so that others may follow. That song is now a classic.

I bought the Chicks' album because Big Radio was censoring the Chicks. They were directly attacking thier livlihood to censor their expression. Message: "if you don't play nice, your carreer is over" and hell, what they said was TAME compaired to the truth that has come to light about Bush. And.. the radio stations did this to the Number One selling Female Group in America. What chance does that give an average joe to speak out?

If any artist that says something mildly political is a Traitor to one side and an Opportunist to the other, I will gladly stand alone.

At the top of the interview when natalie says "we were just living it like everybody else in the world", I wish that were true. The backlash that came from their remarks came from people who were "living it" quite differently. Grace planned the accident. Her unplanned remarks are a gift from an intuition that also managed to discern the truth about the war while being a workaholic in Nashville. Something that happens rarely mr Nelson, very rarely, mr Christopherson. Cheers to the rise of the new american goddess, and a "country music" that actually sounds like the country we live in. The good old girls are a sleeping giant in this country, they work hard for their boyfriend's bass boats and are the only force capable of changing the hearts and minds of the BEER GUN ENGINE loving (therefore military supporting) Boys.

I bought two new CDs just to show my support! Thank God for the Dixie Chicks!! What is so wrong about "outing" the greatest crook in American History?

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So glad that none of you are in charge of protecting US in the US of America.

May I suggust for your Summer trip - the Middle East.

Call me kookoo for Cocoa Puffs, but isn't it the American Dream to take advantage of every possible economic opportunity, to and beyond the point of trampling upon the rights or livelihoods of others and flouting authority?

In other words, aren't Repubs and conservatives all about unbridled-by-authority opportunism?

Maybe the Chicks aren't as true-Blue-state as the right-wingers are painting them. Which makes it especially interesting when one of them starts foaming at the mouth about how evil the Dixie Chicks are.

Yvette Cox: thank you for providing not only context for your illuminating comment, but for adding to the discussion at large.

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