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The Mark of Cain

Dr. House meets a 15 year old faith healer. A drama that had me laughing from start to finish. I've not heard so many great lines in a long time. You're going to love this clip, okay well maybe it's more of an extended trailer that gives away the entire show.


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As a non-american, I can't tell if Hugh Laurie does a convincing US accent - any good? Otherwise the show seems interesting, if a little bland.

I think I might have to start watching that show.

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Fantastic. I love House, and this compilation shows why. I think it's important to have such a high-profile skeptic on television, just to counterbalance some of the excesses of credulity displayed a lot of the time in the media.

Nice, I missed that episode.

If you wear a foil beanie because aliens are invading your thoughts and telling to do things they throw you in a padded cell and give you medication. If you say God is telling you to do things, they give you a TV show.

If Hugh Laurie is the British dude, then no, he doesn't do a convincing US accent.

If Hugh Laurie is the guy with the Australian accent, then he probably isn't the British dude either. ;-)

Hugh Laurie does an outstanding American accent. Somehow he seems to have escaped the English actor's affliction that assumes "American" equals "Texan."

(For those who are confused, Hugh Laurie is House himself.)

If you click on the link to House that Norm provided, you will see that Hugh Lauie is the dude who sounds just like an American. There is also a dude, the younger guy, who has an Australian accent, but he is not House. Apparently, Hugh Laurie is an English actor.

so how does an american accent sound to British ears? are any of the american accents appealing or annoying?

Watch Blackadder and then tell me that Hugh Laurie doesn't do a good American accent. :)

House is a great show. I enjoy his sarcasm, dry wit, and medical know it all cruelty. I didn't think it was going to work at first, because Hugh Laurie is a great comedic actor from Britain. He's been on many episodes of Blackadder, and has shared a couple of shows with Stephen Fry (TV host from V for Vendetta). You can get some background of his work here http://www.hughlaurie.co.uk Great Stuff!

Hmmm...I think he did a pretty good job with the US accent...then again..English isn't my mother tongue. That Dr. Wilson character...isn't that the guys who played the leading role in "Dead Poet Society"?

Anyway...great clips...thx.

Almost forgot...I'm going to teach religion to three diferent classes next year...2., 4. and 9.graders...problem is I hate to lie to children! What to do?

House is fantastic, and Laurie more than makes the show central. As far as I'm concerned, he does a great American accent. When you hear him speak "normally" (IE: without it), it's as if he's a completely different person. Exceedingly good job.

Wooster and Jeeves (Laurie and Fry) is currently on PBS. There is even a set of this series released on DVD. Good show.

One thing, though, Norm. You cut the response from Dr. House. You ended the video clip too soon. Was that planned to torture us? You succeeded.

(gritting teeth)

I thought it was just me Cowboy! That was frustrating.

so, what was his response at the end?

House didn't say anything else. Wilson continued It is possible to believe in something and fail to live up to it. The next seen shows them discussing Wilson's patient that she's going to Italy he's moving out but not back in with House.

I enjoyed the show but I don't much like it when shows, especially shows, set it up so that religion is bunk no matter what. Doesn't do much to cater to the 60% of dumbfucks that believe when you have something you'd like to attack besides their faith. I know you're an atheist, Norm, and I am far from your typical "Christian," if I could even be called that. And I enjoy this sort of mockery more than most I know. But methinks it does the more "enlightened" types a disservice.

Yah yah - I know - call their shit out and pound away at it. But this is a pretty fucking touchy subject with the majority of people in this country. Yes - I am sick and fucking tired of tiptoing (sp?) through the tulips with people that are so fucking dumb as to actually believe in a single core tenant of so-called "intelligent design." But it does no one any good to outright mock their beliefs, as I feel this little episode did. Thanky for sharing, just the same.

Rufus, and what say you of the countless TV shows that celebrate faith, belief without evidence. I think a little push back is perfectly appropriate. When 'touchy subjects' are injected into public policy they no longer get a free pass, but must be subject to the same scrutiny everything else gets. The show exposes faith healers, a group that is responsible for pain and suffering and death of many of those who buy into the idea that faith in god will take care of their medical problems. I consider it a public service.

Norm, it seems odd that you are so firmly atheistic.

In my youth I was a vocal atheist, but I grew out of it.” There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”. Just because a bearded man in the sky is a silly notion, doesn’t mean it ain’t so. I am now agnostic.

I have no problem with TV shows that attack religion. Religions are silly, oppressive, and dangerous in their fanaticism. They deserve to be publicly skewered.

The closest thing to a religion that I have is that The Earth is our Mother creator, the Sun is our Father provider & the Moon is our dead Uncle Roquefort.

Is there a specific reason for your apparent hatred of the notion of God?

That's odd. I've never noticed any hatred from Norm. Seems like a nice guy to me.

Hi beowulfkg, I think I have mentioned earlier that I see little difference between an atheists and agnostic that are both creatures of reasonnd can accept a higher being if real evidence is found.

I don't think Norm has any hatred of religion, perhaps only a little exasperation and disgust at the parts of it that does not make senseor which is utterly stupid.

It is as though Norm is Dr House, Rufus is Wilson and beowulfkg is that guy with the Aussie accent. :-D

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I LOVED this episode of the show, especially the fact that "god" didn't win (I know it was shown as a tie, but really, House got a point every time he proved the act of god wrong, so really, House won). It's good to see an atheist on american tv, even though he can't say it outright and he's got to be portrayed as that tortured asshole type.

As far as Hugh Laurie's accent goes, it took me a LONG time to get used to, but that could be either because I'm a linguist and notice subtle mistakes a lot, but it's more likely because I've been a Hugh Laurie fan for 15 years! I've finally gotten over it, probably because the character is such a strong one.

I saw Hugh Laurie very early in his career, when he was performing with the Cambridge Footlights.

I too was raised an atheist, but now I have a view which allows for God to exist in much the same way as consciousness exists: as an emergent property of a complex system. The complex system involved is at the scale of society, and requires language for God to emerge, and it becomes part of the social glue, holding groups together. There's a distinct sense of belonging.

The myths and exaggerations around the different emergent deities then help sustain the social groups that subscribe to them. They sustain the power structure, and provide reasons for gathering and meeting: for example, Christmas, Easter, Ramadan, Hajj, Hannukah, Sabbath. They also provide structures for the community to recognize events which affect the group structure: at birth, marriage, and death.

What's puzzling and dismaying to me is the nature of the myths and the use they are put to. God ends up fighting wars on anyone's side. God chooses my people, we are special, so we can be bigots towards not-us. God loves us all, so if you suffer while I oppress or exploit you, you'll get your reward in heaven and I'll be forgiven - so that's OK. What you persistently say contradicts what I read in a divinely inspired text, so you must be not only wrong, but evil.

Rapid communication makes it possible for these groups to become much larger and more powerful: it's more than an hour's hike from here to the Crystal Cathedral, but I can watch the Sunday service on TV, if I want. The pastor doesn't even have to be there: they can run repeats.

How is it you can hate something you don't believe exists? What I hate is the non-reason that flows from that belief.

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I so have to start watching this show.

I’m painfully aware of what anwaya has to say about the culture of religion. I as an agnostic I am jealous of their community. Agnostics don’t meet weekly & have regular picnics. I long for something to belong to, as almost all people do.

I was raised protestant. Some of my fondest memories are of Christmas & the love that I felt around the holidays. I still celebrate Christmas as a time of family, giving, brotherly love, & good will towards men. I find it awkward when people want to start talking about Christ at Easter, when I just want to enjoy the company & watch kids find their treats.

I like Norm & really enjoy his blog, but I notice that though he responded, he didn’t really answer my question. For some reason I suspect some pain surrounding his stance.

God and religion are two separate topics. The thoughtless assumption that an atheist hates god is a self serving bit of denial on the part of the religious apologists.

You don't hate what doesn't exist. But you can hate the horrible things people are willing to do on behalf of their made up reality.

Even the Jesus man could not survive the hate filled religious bigotry of the fundies of his own time.

beowulfkg asked this question of Norm: "Is there a specific reason for your apparent hatred of the notion of God?"

Your question is based on assumptions that you insist are objectively correct. It was answered but it doesn't fit your assumptions so you ignore the answer.

You are assuming the existence of god (not very agnostic)by the question. You are also assuming, in fact insisting, that Norm hates god because of his strong atheism.

Your question is akin to asking an anti-war protester why they hate the troops. When they say we don't hate the troops but hate the war, you insist they haven't answered your question. Because you are insisting on your self serving interpretation of their actions. They hate the troops. Any refusal to go along with your interpretation, you call avoiding the question.

Your question assumes the existence of god. Mr. Agnostic. When Norm answers that he doesn't hate that which doesn't exist, you slough it off and say your question wasn't answered. That is not an honest way to carry on a debate. It wasn't an honest question either since you are insisting your already formed opinion is correct. Think about it, your question plus your refusal to accept the answer indicates that you believe Norm believes in god and hates it and that he can only answer along lines you have predetermined.

A believer should not refer to himself as agnostic.

thomasmccay, how does mentioning God as a notion insist on it’s existence? I never said norm hates God. I never even said he hates the notion of God. Apparent means seeming. It appears the notion is loathsome.

I don’t believe in God & view belief as a crutch. The leap of faith is really a denial of your own responsibility to find a purpose. A meaning of life.

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I think you will find Foreign Policy magazine March/April issue very interesting. People who are militantly against religion, state, military also tend to have "zero" children.

It's just the way nature works.

And you know the next step; Numbers of people with liberal attitude divindle in numbers in comparison to conservative ones. It happened to Romans, it happened to British. It will happen to you. The people who reproduce tend to have patriarchal family structures, and they will be the ones passing on their worldview on to the next generation, not you. Not that I don't aggree with anti-Bush, anti-war parts of your posts; I do hope you have lots of children and pass this worldview to them. Go on, and multiply. Nature is working against you, but hey; We are mankind, we can f**k mother nature all we want. After all, this is our kingdom.

Meaning of life? What a pretentious idiot, getting all philosophical like.

House looks good. I don’t get Fox. I’m a bumpkin

I don’t know why I felt the need to ask such a personal question Norm. I became an atheist because my big brother was one & I thought he was cool. I was probably 6 or 8 at the time.

Just trying to spark a little debate. I are a great philosophizer…decider….opinionator.

Black Adder is funny, but I was never a regular….watcherizer.

hey! that's a really good clip, House is an awsome show, although I don't beleive that the 15 year old kid had sex with anybody.. that's abit odd since he thinks he is the messenger from god. but whatever. Post more daily show clips, they make my day.

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I loved this episode! As far as Laurie's accent, I think he nails it dead on! I first saw him on the Black Adder series on PBS and when I heard his American accent I was a bit confused as to what his true nationality was!

Hey, everybody, ease up on beowulfkg. He's not offering a debate, simply an observation on his part, which can be right or wrong.

On my side, I do think he is trying to find common ground with the people at this blog given his own discomfort with his own religion, which is something most of us do experience in our own way.

Norm, I don't really think that beowulfkg is trying to offend you or naything.

Hey, everybody, ease up on beowulfkg. He's not offering a debate, simply an observation on his part, which can be right or wrong.

On my side, I do think he is trying to find common ground with the people at this blog given his own discomfort with his own religion, which is something most of us do experience in our very own way.

Norm, I don't really think that beowulfkg is trying to offend you or anything.

From the clip of House, which I really enjoyed by the way, it's plausible that people can assume that anyone who enjoy this clip may have a thing against religion, which House evidently shows.

In any case, a good clip and I'm glad it spurred a lot of responses here.

anwaya, I love your last post:

"I too was raised an atheist, but now I have a view which allows for God to exist in much the same way as consciousness exists: as an emergent property of a complex system. The complex system involved is at the scale of society, and requires language for God to emerge, and it becomes part of the social glue, holding groups together. There's a distinct sense of belonging."

It's exactly how the Chinese people held together for 5000 years before the socially disruptive influences of foreign philosophies like communism and religions like Christianity came to China.

We do believe in a higher but impersonal being, which we call "Tian" or Heavens/Sky. The reason why we know it exits is because of the conscience and the ability to differentiate right from wrong in each and every one of us.

While we may be taught on what is right and what is wrong based on conventions, law or common sense, we cannot be taught on the act of feeling what is right and wrong, which people can overcome if their mind is set on doing something evil.

But notice that it is nearly impossible to shake the sense of something you did right or wrong?

Or the feeling that you have done the right thing?

If there is a force in this world, it is beyond the religious-historical milieu and beyond most religions as it is essentially a spiritual force.

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anwaya, your second observation is quite interesting:

"What's puzzling and dismaying to me is the nature of the myths and the use they are put to. God ends up fighting wars on anyone's side. God chooses my people, we are special, and so we can be bigots towards not-us. God loves us all, so if you suffer while I oppress or exploit you, you'll get your reward in heaven and I'll be forgiven - so that's OK. What you persistently say contradicts what I read in a divinely inspired text, so you must be not only wrong, but evil."

My thoughts are simply that myths are simply devices that are used to confer a sense of legitimacy or prestige to religious institutions.

You can see that with Christian orthodoxy that excluded of the Gnostic Gospels with their innate emphasis on the self and the spiritualism and not religious dogmatism or literalism with their views that many so called events like the snake and the apple are no more than moral fables.

Myth-making brings people together, while spiritualism as well as an examination of the self in his relations with the world is individualistic and hard to control. Ironically, it is the second path that is more likely to bring answers that are vastly more personal to the self, rather than the feel-good meaningless platitudes from established religion.

The reason why so many people are losing their faith is precisely the failure of the religious myth-making machine in an age where people are encourages to ask questions, probe beyond the surface with higher literacy as compared to the masses in the Dark Ages.

An age where simple and universal catchphrases are insufficient to explain the personal tragedy, dream-like transient nature of our lives.

An age where religion is unequipped to help us reconcile ourselves to our lives belong the empty platitude that it is God's Designs.

This religious myth-machine is still dying in its bits and pieces today, of which the latest fatality is the proven myth of the healing powers of prayers.

This clip comes at an opportune time indeed.

typo: "An age where religion is unequipped to help us reconcile ourselves to our lives beyond the empty platitude that it is God's Designs."

When people praise God and speak about it, they are in a way attacking my beliefs in the nonbelief in one.

A person that says they are agnostic, is truely an atheist, as they lack a belief in a god. There is weak and strong atheism. Weak just does not have the belief, and strong is when you outright deny the existance. I am the former.

While I profess there is a possibility of a god in sense of the word, it is so highly unlikely, just like invisable unicorns, Zeus, and other mystical creatures.

Why one can deny the existance of those, yet still have to be neutral on the most popular delusions is beyond me.

Change has always came through ridicule and criticism.

Nothing should be outside the scope of those things. Those things can help changes to move along. While it is not exactly satire, satire has been used to help along many social changes.

Wanting to criticize the notion of a god, is not hatred. First, one would have to actually believe he existed to actually hate it.

I hate that this non-existant being is sometimes given praise for what a doctor does, or for other random events that involved either simple randomness or human kindness.

I hate the notion of god as it will normally ends up breeding people that are not willing to change their ideas of right and wrong, true and false, as new facts emerge. It helps create along intolerance.

Every idea, every aspect of the Universe should be subject to criticism or ridicule or whatever else.

I know I repeat myself, but religion is now holding this incredible sway that it should not be 'attacked'.

By you professing it, by you impacting my life with it, you are 'attacking' me. I use attack in very lose terms.

How could one believe that it is a plague to humanity, but believe it should be respected?

You do not respect a person that believes the world is flat. You do not respect a person that believes the holocaust never happened.

Those are a bit more less dangerous than religion, but it is in similiar vein.

sigh Next you will be telling me I shouldn't criticize other peoples political stances or views on sex or racism ... or etc.

" I am the former."

Should be I am the latter.

My Problem with Atheism

First, let me define pertinent terms. I write under the assumption that the following definitions are accurate.

Atheism: an absence of belief in the existence of a God or Gods. An atheist denies that a God exists.

Agnosticism: the truth regarding the existence of a God or Gods is inherently unknowable. An agnostic believes that no evidence exists to support the existence or absence of a God.

For me, religious belief and atheistic belief are guilty of the same logical transgression. Both assert claims that are in no way supported by rationality. An atheists’ denial of God’s existence constitutes belief without evidence. This fallacious belief is tantamount to the Evangelical Christian who believes that God exists and that every word in the bible is true. Both theism and atheism draw conclusions without a shred of evidence. Agnosticism, for me, is the only logical choice. Because the existence of God is ambiguous, it is irrelevant. The young female doctor in this episode of ‘House’ was correct when she said something to the effect: contemplating Gods existence is comparable to penguins theorizing about nuclear fission. Both are equally absurd and unimportant.

My Problem with Atheism

First, let me define pertinent terms. I write under the assumption that the following definitions are accurate.

Atheism: an absence of belief in the existence of a God or Gods. An atheist denies that a God exists.

Agnosticism: the truth regarding the existence of a God or Gods is inherently unknowable. An agnostic believes that no evidence exists to support the existence or absence of a God.

For me, religious belief and atheistic belief are guilty of the same logical transgression. Both assert claims that are in no way supported by rationality. An atheists’ denial of God’s existence constitutes belief without evidence. This fallacious belief is tantamount to the Evangelical Christian who believes that God exists and that every word in the bible is true. Both theism and atheism draw conclusions without a shred of evidence. Agnosticism, for me, is the only logical choice. Because the existence of God is ambiguous, it is irrelevant. The young female doctor in this episode of ‘House’ was correct when she said something to the effect: “contemplating Gods existence is comparable to penguins theorizing about nuclear fission. Both are equally absurd and unimportant.”

Hi Garrick, your definitions and characterisations of atheists and agnostics are incorrect.

An agnostic is willing to believe in God if he sees real evidence of him. You missed this connotation in your definition.

And unlike religious people, atheists and agnostics are essentially creatures of reason and is willing to consider or even accept the existence of god if we see clear evidence. It should be more like "belief with evidence".

Before we get to this stage, we will abide in the stage of the "suspension of belief".

It is the Evangelical Christian and other religious fundamentalist, who is guilty of belief without evidence as studies in world history or archeology does not correspond with the Biblical account of thr world.

Why not simply use the descriptive term non-believer instead of variable meaning words like atheist, or the limited-to-theology term, non-theist. Non-belief covers not only, non-theism, but non-ufoism, non-superstitious, and many other non-beliefs that surely you guys have no belief in at all. One can own no beliefs about anything while still having thoughts about anything. Provisional knowledge trumps belief in every case, it seems to me.

It also seems to me that many of you have trouble understanding what 'belief' is. There can exist world views that are completely absent of any belief!

For more visit this article.

I would recommend to at least skim over the page, especially under the subtexts: 'Bias (point of view)', 'Everyone believes in something?', 'I don't believe the sun will rise tomorrow, but I predict it will', and 'Don't you believe you exist?' It's quite eye-opening!

Regards,

Erick

You all just have to check out this site. It is so damned hilarious! Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. http://shelleytherepublican.com/

Jo, I just saw the site. Is that Shelley serious??? I've heard of ghost marriages before but citizenship????

This does seem to have become an argument in semantics, which is not what I intended.

Garrick stated it best, but his definitions were too absolute. I found contradictory definitions of atheist & agnostic within MS Encarta. Also non-contradictory, multiple meanings of both words.

My thoughts have been:

Atheists absolutely deny the existence of god, not just don’t believe.

With faith you are supposed to absolutely deny you could be wrong. God exists.

Agnostics deny the existence of god can be proven or known one way or the other.

That doesn’t mean agnostics are wishy-washy or can’t make up their minds on the subject. Agnostics are not waiting for more evidence before they make up their minds.

The absolute statement is the fallacy.

My definitions were too narrow it seems. I am the agnostic described above.

The idea I’m trying to get across is; those who deny God could exist & those who say God does exist are illogical.

I would say there is good evidence for both God & no God.

I’d also like to say if there is a God It’s absent or horribly cruel.

Kes, I don't know if she's serious or not. Some of the other posters take her seriously though. Either way, it's one of the funniest blogs I have ever ever seen. Think I'll go take a look at it now for a hearty morning laugh. :-D

The Europeans are particularly blown away. I don't think that any of them have ever really had a taste of American Christian fundamentalists.. scary stuff! 8-O

http://shelleytherepublican.com/

^seriously funny and scary at the same time. If that isn't a parody, but actually a serious blogger...then SHIT! We're going back into the Dark Ages.

Hi beowulfkg, I'm not sure if I can agree with your definitions as well for atheists and agnostics.

I still believe that both are creatures of reason who can consider the existence of God in a meaningful way if real evidence has been discovered.

Staying one's course when reality does not support it is hardly a show of conviction when it is an abject show of arrogance in one's denial of facing up to the truth. Only religious people will probably show this trait.

For atheists and agnostics, an absolute definition of what we are ill-serve us in that we have different backgrounds and history for our spiritual make-up. Some of us may still reconcile with a religion, while others may not.

So let's just leave both definitions open, so that these 2 words can represent more of us than less. To each his own.

Jo, I've read the post and it seems the blogger does not care very much for the reality. Why is she so sure that Jesus will come to US, not in the Middle East where he died for the Jews?

"One of the this Administration's greatest achievement is surely reigning in the very worst excesses of liberal media. There was a time when nudity, fornication and cussing could be observed on any primetime show. The Bush FCC has cleaned it all up, and now American families can sit back, re-assured that TV is safe for children of all ages."

She obviously does not watch the Conservative Fox News who justapoxe pictures of bikini-clad women with its announcement of a serial killer in a holiday location.

Erick, I hope Shelley is just using dry humor, but some of those posters are serious! Welcome to the Dark Ages of the good old USA.

Kes, As to why is she so sure that Jesus will come to the USA?...well, oh my, I am laughing too hard to even type.

Hey, here were some of my favorite responses:

if jesus wants to come to the US, why doesnt he ask for asylum himself?

Dear Shelley, Please let me have Jesus' email when he comes to earth. He looks even better than Tommy. And he's got a gun. Thanks, A woman

Hunny... dear... if you really are serrious about this... I mean its the lord our god... really I don't think its going to matter to him whether he's a citizen or not. Considering technicaly. he owns the place... know what I'm saying? It kinda ALL belongs to him. And I think that giving him our permission to come into this country is a lot like you trying to give an 800 lbs gorilla permission to do whatever it wants. See where I'm going with this? I know you mean well but.... well... you'll figure it out.

That's it. shelleytherepublican.com is now my favorite website. This is simply... Well... I really don't know what it is... Not even funny... Just so stupid! : D

Dear Shelley I fear I must disagree with you and proclaim Oztralia as God's own country. We are also 15-18 hours AHEAD of the US of A, so Jesus will drop in here on his return to Earth while you guys are still wondering what to have for breakfast the day before! But don't worry - our Prime Minister sits on Gee Dubbya's left hand in the Coalition of the Willing. We will throw a coupla extra prawns [shrimps] on the Barbie for him before a crash course in crocodile wrestling and the correct enunciation of " Crikey " before we send him on to you. He will thus be eminently prepared to deal with that Capital 'L' liberal opposition.

Have you noticed the Enemies List? I don't see Onegoodmove on that list. I am very disappointed. Guess Norm doesn't bitch about religion enough to make the cut.

omg, that was hilarious!!!

Hi. I'm American. House's voice sounds unique (i.e. not quite like anyone else's I've ever heard), while at the same time sounding perfectly American. So I'd say he's got the perfect accent for the character he's playing.

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