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And this is funny... how? Atheists, for all their smug superiority, don't bomb embassies. Muslims don't either. Extremists rile up moderates (in this case, Muslims) into bombing embassies.

So, in lieu of slandering faithful Muslims, this cartoon chooses to spear atheists. Who basically haven't done %*&# to the world in the last 3 millenia. Which is a lot more than you can say about any religion.

holy shit man..lighten up! this cartoon is a humorous take on something that needs to be, if anything, laughed at instead of taken seriously like all the people freaking out and rioting. the cartoon is not "spearing" atheists, have you no sense of humor?

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure you missed the whole point of the cartoon, AsinineAmerican. Especially if you thought it was taking a serious jab at atheists.

AsinineAmerican, I think you'll find one of the points of the cartoon is that Athiests are indeed a very blameless lot.

Blank pages? Why, that's an abomination!!! How dare they associate nihilism with the great philosophical tradition of Atheism! Where's the nearest embassy for Cagle Cartoons?

News-in-chief of arabian TV station "al-Arabyia" pretty much sums up my view on the Muhammed pictures; Watch the clip.

Mind that his english is not perfect (and neither is mine), but I think the message is quite clear anyhow.

Atheists also don't freak out over simple cartoons either...

by picking atheist the cartoonist was able to point the finger where it belongs... not at a religious body but at a group of people... which would be the whole point of saying "atheists" as the people rioting arn't doing it because of any religious beliefs... they are rioting and killing inocents because they are extremists... you could just as easily use the bible to do the exact same thing by taking only one book out of the 66 and using only a small portion of that book that supports what you want to hear... which is the case with these particular muslim fanatics.

Draden

ps... this is funny mostly because he hit the nail on the head... these people arn't religious at all... are they?

"these people arn't religious at all... are they?"

Draden,

I agree that these people are not "good" followers of their religion. The problem is that they think they are and that they are defenders of their religion. Another great example of the troubles caused in the name of a religion/god.

Actually, atheists have killed more people in the last century than in the history of the world combined. Darwinism was used to justify all the murders committed by Hitler, Stalin, etc. You cannot blame religion for the actions of extremists but you can blame atheism for murder because "survival of the fittest" gives anyone the right to murder the weak. Wake up.

I think Richard Dawkins did a good job of explaining why your argument is flawed when he said:

Well the big difference between saying that Mao and Stalin were atheists and saying that they did these appalling things because they were atheists. I mean Stalin and Hitler and Saddam Huessin all have mustaches but one wouldn't say therefore that it was because of their mustaches that they did the terrible things that they did. You've got to provide evidence not that they just were atheists but that it was their atheism that motivated them to do these terrible things.

more on the subject here

Hahaha AsinineAmerican and ynona.imus you are a douchebags.

Jesus my grammar is terrible. But this cartoon is still spot on.

What???????? Thousands of atheists were rioting and I wasn't there? I'll never live down the shame.

The first atheist riot in history and I wasn't there. Given that atheist riots are less frequent than geological epocs, I surmise I have missed my chance. Oh woe.

the point about hitler i personally don't believe to be true... his standard after all was a religious symbol... the swastica (spelling?) is a after all religious in nature... Christian if i remember right... thats right folks the swastica is a styolized cross... not really an appropiate banner for an atheist if you ask me...

Draden

ynona.imus, you are making a fool of yourself.

point us to the exact spot in atheist doctrine where murder of infidels is encouraged (as it is in christian and muslim texts). tough, considering there is no atheist doctrine.

perhaps you'd do well to explore the difference between correlation and causation...

"What???????? Thousands of atheists were rioting and I wasn't there? I'll never live down the shame."

LOL... Me neither. I cannot believe that I dropped the ball here.. hangs down head in shame and walks away

ynona.imus, maybe you are the one that needs to wake up:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

...by the way, when you mention "survival of the fittest" I think you are probably refering mostly to the corporate race of the Industrial Movement which has nothing to do with C. Darwin. Social Darwinism does not equal Charles Darwin. Pick up a book please.

Actually, atheists have killed more people in the last century than in the history of the world combined.

The number of people killed in the last century by atheists must necessarily be no greater than the number of people killed "in the history of the world combined."

you can blame atheism for murder because "survival of the fittest" gives anyone the right to murder the weak.

Whether "survival of the fittest"—or, indeed, any of the other tenets of Darwin's theory of evolution—is valid is a scientific question, and must be decided on its scientific merits alone. Rejecting Darwin's theory or the modern evolutionary synthesis because of its perceived implications for human society is as silly as deciding there must be a God upon the realization that one is living in a "Gawwwwdless Univairrrrse."

The part about Hitler is completely wrong. He believed he was doing "God's work" in exterminating the Jews. Anxious that he not be misinterpreted by revisionist Christians decades later, he put his motivation in writing. Sorry Stefan if the facts spoil your position.

Speaking of motivation, if you're going to attribute mass-murder to a religious belief (for simplicity's sake let's class atheism as one, too), then the belief has really got to be either a motivation or a justification of the murders.

Lamentably, there has been no shortage of killing in the name of god through human history. But really, can anyone point to any murders that are motivated or justified by atheism? Let's see what it might look like:

"these people deserve to die because they're worshipping/not worshipping God and the Rules say - oh wait a minute, there's no God and there's no Rules, just hang on a moment, um, it's coming to me..."

"I was ordered to kill these people by God - hmmm, no, that's not it, just wait a minute..."

"By killing these people I'm doing the work of - no, that's not it either..."

At the most, atheism could be argued to be an absence of a religious constraint. But the motivation and the justification for the killing will always lie elsewhere. Be intellectually honest, give credit where's it's due, and spare atheism the discredit that it doesn't deserve.

And on "survival of the fittest", it is an observation of a mechanism. It is not a moral stance.

It's just saying that in the absence of any other influence to favour some creatures over others, the ones who fit their environment the most will survive. That's what is meant by the word "fittest" in this phrase.

Your homework, Stefan, is to construct an argument that starts with Darwin's observation of that mechanism, and which on that basis grants anyone the right to murder the weak. You've already stated that connection as your endpoint, I'm just curious how you join the two of them together.

Since you were confident enough to post it, you ought to be able to justify it.

I agree that these people are not "good" followers of their religion. The problem is that they think they are and that they are defenders of their religion. Another great example of the troubles caused in the name of a religion/god.

There simply occurs no such thing as an objective single idea of "True Christianity." It varies dramatically, depending on the subjective beliefs of individuals.

In fact, not only does the Bible support war and killing, the God you profess to believe in kills men, women (including pregnant women), infants, and animals. He also orders others to kill for him. It comes from violent words out of the Bible that provides justification for many believers to act out their atrocities. If you do not realize this then you appear as the one who does not understand your own religion.

"Actually, atheists have killed more people in the last century than in the history of the world combined. Darwinism was used to justify all the murders committed by Hitler, Stalin, etc. You cannot blame religion for the actions of extremists but you can blame atheism for murder because "survival of the fittest" gives anyone the right to murder the weak."

Interesting point. I had knee-jerk repulsion at this assertion, then gave it some extra thought. A few villages from here (I live in Germany) is a place called Wolfenhausen. There, thousands of imperfect Germans were kept before being liquefied. These people consisted of the mentally ill, as well as handicapped soldiers from WW one.

Hitler may not have consciously applied Darwin's principles, but they are present in his "master race" ideas. Either through his Aryan breeding program, through the annihilation of his perception of inferior peoples: Jews, Slave, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill and handicapped, Hitler was applying what he thought was survival of the fittest. In the wild world of animals (other than human animals) homosexuals, handicapped or sick beings do not survive to pass their genes on to future generations. The poster makes an interesting point.

Atheist Thump

Thump,

You're trying to claim that it was their atheism that was the cause of the atrocities. What a stupid argument. It was actually Hitler's mustache that caused him to act the way he did, that and his belief in God since Hitler wasn't an atheist. You need to show that it was their atheism that was the cause not that they were or were not atheists. Actually men with penises have killed more people in the last century than in the history of the world combined.

It seems the dispute is turning to trying to find the 'bad guy' of the picture: Darwin's Theory or Christianity.

The problems of belief do not come from Bibles or Hitler, but rather from human gullibility. Who's more insane, Hitler or the masses of people that followed him? He may have been insane, but it was belief (not Darwin or Jesus) who influenced the minds of the Nazi supporters who advocated Hitler's cause and followed his plan. Same goes for the supporters of George Bush who let their beliefs and patriotism blind them and disconnect them from reality.

Knowledge always trumps belief.

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