FINALLY! BRING IT ON!

The first domino is fallin'.

Sometimes, the system works. Let's hope it's not only in this egregious case!

Allah-luya!

Somehow, even though the Democratic Party hasn't done a single thing, the Republican Party is on the eve of the greatest political implosion in the history of American politics. I suspect a historical realization of an era of corruption far beyond anything Ulysses S. Grant or even Reagan could have ever imagined. And all of this without having factional squabbles!

I guess it's just another boring case of absolute power corrupting and all that jazz.

I bet none of you guys got your panties all in a bunch when Clinton and Gore took campaign money from the Chinesse goverment did you? After denying it time after time, when faced with phone records from the White House Gore admitted to making the calls. Yeah, that was a realy virtuous administration!

Look, I don't excuse Delay, I hope they throw the book at him, but don't pretend that a majority of politicians from both sides of the isle are guilty of this stuff as well.

I want ALL politians to fry when they screw up. Other people may think this is all about Politics As Usual, etc, but I take an insult to my constitution seriously

Stephen-

Who's pretending that a majority of politicians from both sides of the isle are guilty of this stuff as well? You?

Are your panties all in a bunch over Delay? No, it's seems you are guilty of what you accuse liberals of. Trying to downplay, excuse or ignore your party's crimes.

So what is your position - that like 10 years ago Clinton did bad stuff so now suddenly it's alright that Delay does bad stuff? Huh? Please explain the logic of that.

Who's pretending that a majority of politicians from both sides of the isle are guilty of this stuff as well? You?

Well......since I said a majority of politicians from both sides do this sort of thing I would say I'm not pretending that they don't.

Are your panties all in a bunch over Delay? No, it's seems you are guilty of what you accuse liberals of. Trying to downplay, excuse or ignore your party's crimes.

Well since I said they should throw the book at him I guess I am not trying to downplay excuse or ignore his actions.........did you read my post?

Mike talked about this "great era of corruption" and my point was they are all corrupt, and I don't see this administration as being any more corrupt when it comes to monitary issues, than the one previous to it. That doesn't excuse Delay at all.

Ladies and Gentlemen, it's Bowling For Fascists!

I'm glad Stephen qualified the corruption quotient with saying: "monitary issues".

Now we have levels of corruption with/without monitary issues.

We need to compare apples with apples. Compare moral values from Clinton and Bush administrations.

Or should we have a bar-graph showing the number of innocent people killed in each administration since Nixon.

Your right Stephen, we neglected to mention all those no-bid contracts handed out under the Clinton administration. Get real!!!

Please don't compare this administration on any level with any other administration, because it doesn't fly. At this rate, you'll have to start looking at regimes from overseas to get a good comparison. I agree with your point on whole, however. Politicians on both sides of the aisle are on the take.

"Implosion"? Possibly an understatement.

Bush is Neo-Nero.
Or perhaps neo-CON-Nero.

As for DeLay, doesn't his name sound suspiciously French (and we all know what that means)?

"I bet none of you guys got your panties all in a bunch when Clinton and Gore took campaign money from the Chinesse goverment did you?"

Not as much as panties in a twist when Bushes brother got a huge bribe from the Chinese.

Cleary Delays problem is that he should of waited until he was elected president before coming corrupt.

Sorry to be a spoiler - but I hope DeLay is holding on. We need him next year. This guy is the epitome of this administration. And the best thing is: the voters are actually perceiving him as that.

And Stephen: If you really compare this administration to Clinton's - hell, even to Bush I's - you haven't a clue at all. You're exactly the kind of guy that made 2004's "mandate" possible.

"And Stephen: If you really compare this administration to Clinton's - hell, even to Bush I's - you haven't a clue at all. You're exactly the kind of guy that made 2004's "mandate" possible."

I am? Well considering that I voted for Kerry, you might be mistaken there.

My whole point is that Clinton was in office republicans ran around screaming like madmen when something like this happened, and the democrats of the world could care less........but now since it's the other guy they all of a sudden care rather politicians are taking illegal money, and republicans think it is no big deal. It's just a vicious cycle of hypocricy on both sides. It's the same with the Roberts nomination for the supreme court, right now the dems and their voters want him to answer every question, Roberts the,republicans and their voters favor the stonewall approach and everyone is outraged, a few years ago the tables were turned Dems said Ginsburg shouldn't have to answer questions and republicans were outraged. None of these people care about any of these issue, they car about holding power.

"Sorry to be a spoiler - but I hope DeLay is holding on. We need him next year"

This is a very dangerous attitude to take, rooting for something bad to happen to this country, so it will be good for your party. I'd much rather him be ran out of office, found guilty and be made an example of, though it;s probably niave of me to think that would happen as well, how often do this rich people ever really get punished? This is the sort of thinking that has turned many off to the democrats/liberal point of view, take the Iraq war, do you secretly smile inside when something bad happens because it looks bad for GW? I thought the war was a mistake from the outset, but now that we are commited I want us to succedd for the sake of the soldiers over there, and the people of Iraq.

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Your right Stephen, we neglected to mention all those no-bid contracts handed out under the Clinton administration. Get real!!!

I've worked for a defense contactor since I got out of the military in 1996, no-bid contracts were used heavily then as well. The only difference between dems and republicans is who is getting paid. Believe it or not, as a defense contractor the company i work for seemed to be much better funded when Clinton was in office.

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"Or should we have a bar-graph showing the number of innocent people killed in each administration since Nixon."

Why stop at Nixon? Seems we could get the sample population up real high if went back a bit more.

Stephen,

"...8you) made 2004's 'mandate' possible."

I officially take that back. My excuses. I should have asked first.

"...we need him next year."

You're right, that is cynical. That's how you are, five years into George W. Bush's reign. But I don't think that DeLay holding out is much worse for the country than if he's convicted - and the Republicans are able to make him their fall guy and detract from their shenanigans at the election.

Of course I want him gone as well as his majority. This would be good for my party - and for the country. And of course I know that the Democratic majority of old had become corrupt - over 40 years. The Reps needed maybe five years. And now they've established probably the most undemocratic (small d) rule on the Hill ever.

The Hammer has set new standards in misuse of power. I've heard of the Buddhist temple, mind you. But this simply isn't on the same level. Even Tricky Dick would be amazed at what they're getting away with these days.

So I can't go like, "oh, DeLay is a crook and so was Clinton". What does that get you? Alright, all politicians are liars and thieves. But there's always elections to correct that - unless of course Tom DeLay has done a little gerrymandering before...

So the entire defense is, "Well the Clinton administration did it too?" Way to bring credibility back into the presidency by continuing the crap of the previous administration and exacerbating the problem.

Actually, if you read through my posts there is no defense for Delay offered....why?...... because there is none, if found guilty he deserves probably more punishment than he will get. I was just pointing out the hypocricy of people on both sides. That is not a defense for Delay

Stephen-

That those who are to blame do not like finger pointing (at them at least) is no surprise.

But your posts insinuate that because some particular past Democrat politicians aren't as pure as white driven snow and that for us to want Delay held accountable that makes us hypocrits?????? Not sure I get your point, maybe.

If it wasn't a defense for Delay then what was the point of even saying it in your posts or saying we were hypocrits?

If no one objects to Delay then he will not be held accountable- maybe not even if people DO object.

One big difference between Clinton's presidency and Bush's is that Clinton and his administration was held accountable for wrong doing. It was on the news every night. You could choose to believe that it was a "witch hunt" but at least it was reported and journalists were way more skepital with White House spin and there was several investigations into past business deals and an impeachment trial. Whether Democrats liked it or not.

I think it's safe to say that this particular administration is way more corrupt and it's dirty deeds are not held up to scrutiny and accountability like the last administration. THAT worries me.

P.S. Never voted for Clinton - this election is first time I voted for a Democrat