don't criticize, don't criticize, don't criticize...

that's like telling us to stop breathing

Maybe it was the quality of the clip or what but Boxcar wasn't really that funny. He also reused his old jokes ( I guess comedians do this).

Politically, I agree with him. In terms of humor, especially when he left politics, he stank.

Hmmmmm, that hum is very distracting, something wrong with the grounding.

After his absence last week I was hoping maybe Boxcar was gone for good.

It's sad when reading the comments trashing this guy makes me laugh more than watching the video clip.

ROCK ON BOXCAR! You are like the Fozzie The Bear of onegoodmove!

Why did the chicken cross the road?

BECAUSE HE HATED THE FUCK OUT OF GEORGE BUSH!!!

GET IT? GET IT!?!

Norm, I'll send you a link to some more of my liberal comedy, please post next week.

what do you got against fozzie the bear?

A bunch of guys in a cyber circle-jerk, trashing someone who's actually doing something with his life. You people are pathetic.

A lot of cold, calculated, "clever" swipes doesn't change the fact that you're sitting on your ass in front of the computer, doing exactly nothing. You could accuse me of being in the same boat, but at least I'm not trying to smear shit on someone else's shot. Sounds like the same ol' boys from last week, and the week before, and the week before. That's rich.

I've held my tongue for a while, because I know a post like this will only be filed in the "jizz on" section of your brains, but what the hell.

People with goals (and lives) don't have time to personally piss on others they deem "unworthy." Box car isn't standing in your way. Why don't all you bad-asses submit something you've done, so we can ridicule you? I'd be blown away if you actually had anything to contribute. Seriously. Because I've never met anyone in my life, who had something going for him or her, have time to type up the dog shit that continuously streams from all your mouths.

Constructive criticism is fine, and everyone here is well aware what that is. I admit I didn't laugh at a few of these bits, particularly when he veered into the non-political zone. But for fuck's sake, who in the hell starts out as funny as Maher or Stewart (even Maher or Stewart)?

I doubt any of you know much about the comedy world (R.D.'s post is evidence). Take a look at just about any comic's history, and you'll find that they had a hell of a rough start. And just because that's the reality of it, doesn't mean you ought to join in. I guess it makes you guys feel real sly and "with it." Great. For a bunch of liberals and left-wingers, you sure are fucking hostile, even to your own kind. You embarrass me. Don't you think it might be a "good" thing to let someone have at least 1 refuge in a sea of assholes?

I have a theory. All you guys want to be Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. When you see someone actually reaching for that, it makes you jealous as a motherfucker. The closest thing you'll ever have to it is typing up smarmy bullshit on blogs -- so, a guy like Box car only adds fuel to the fire. You're glowing green.

Or maybe I'm forgetting what kind of scum internet anonymity breeds. The privacy (and immunity) of the keyboard really shows the value of an abortion. You all know where you'll be in 5, 10 years. But instead of thinking that over, you're here, trying to bring someone else down (now it's gonna be me).

What good have any of you done for the world lately?

Let the circle-jerk continue.

Jesus, Chip — or Boxcar or Norm, or whoever you actually are (speaking of anonymity). I'm actually a full-fledged, card-carrying creative-type, who's done quite a lot to further the entertainment of politics and enlightenment of ideas. And not for nothing, I've had my art reviewed by honest-to-god critics — ones that didn't have to pay for it either, like the good folk who visit onegoodmove. First rule of creation: Enjoy the disparagement. If you want to be like Stewart or Maher ... well, that's half the problem. Be your lousy self, it's all you got. And meanwhile, take what clearly isn't working (your dismay for the fact aside) and learn from it. Here's my pro-active advice for a very clever fellow whose heart is in the right place: Take the anger you have for your critics and point it toward the targets of your grief: Get angry at your political enemies and make better, funnier sport of them. You are too soft, too obvious and too weak. You want to impress the masses ...? Tell it like it is — and it ain't cute, brother; it ain't cute. Get mad with humor and you'll see an appreciative audience squirm with laughter. You got the looks and the voice — fully half the battle in what is most pointedly a business: Now get fucking angry and you'll have an act. (Old axiom, old but true: People want to laugh for the compulsion to cry.) You're a good guy. Honestly, you could use a lot more threat to your act. STOP TRYING TO BE LIKED. You do that, and everything in your act will be a thousand-fold more potent. (I write this because of the angry note above. Even that note is too chaste — too liberal in it's defense — and the walls might shake when stamping a foot, but pushing them, moving forward, brings them down.) Cheers, brother.

Nope, not Norm or Boxcar or Jesus, just a concerned visitor to this blog (I hate to see people get gang-raped... even if they deserve it).

But, I like your post and your approach. There's a lot of truth in what you wrote there. I simply saw an injustice in how this poor guy's just trying to be funny, and in return gets kicked in the balls -- on his semi-home turf, no less. You'd think on a supposedly left-leaning blog, people might want to stick up for the "little guy." Maybe a bit too optimistic (or old-fashioned). Surely Boxcar will suck it up and move on without some sap like me coming to his aid.

Anyway, I'm not out to knock any walls down myself (I know you were talking to Boxcar). Just thought I'd come to the defense of a good guy whose politics match mine. Not hip here, I guess.

Off topic, but I'm curious -- you mentioned you've done "quite a lot to further the entertainment of politics and enlightenment of ideas." Anything worth posting here? This may not sound like anything but sarcasm (judging from my last post), but honestly if you've got something interesting, I'd be for putting it up. If it's a sincere contribution, I promise I'll yell back at the peanut gallery.

My only problem: the sound really is bad. I know it would be better if possible, of course. But that is no small thing. It'd do a lot for Boxcar and for his clips. Maybe with an additional mike or something.

Other than that - keep on rocking. I agree with chip: it's cool to see someone going for it. I'm not jealous, chip, because he has to take a lot of shit (not the least from internet-"anon"s). But I respect what he's doing. And what Norm is doing, for that matter. Without guys like you two the life of guys like me with our boring day jobs would a lot, well, more boring.

I think the first comment pretty much summed it up:

don't criticize, don't criticize, don't criticize...

Posted by anon at September 30, 2005 02:12 AM

And Chip's post is exactly why. :)

Thanks for your input. More smarmy, meaningless tripe. At least you're the only prick so far.

Could have read the post, could have contributed something worthwhile, could choose to be productive, could criticize something you think could be worked on, or even -- could not say anything at all...

Obviously, instead, you choose to be a plain ol' dick.

Do you feel valuable today?

crit·i·cize v. crit·i·cized, crit·i·ciz·ing, crit·i·ciz·es v. tr. 1. To find fault with: criticized the decision as unrealistic. 2. To judge the merits and faults of; analyze and evaluate. v. intr. To act as a critic.

in·sult v. in·sult·ed, in·sult·ing, in·sults v. tr. 1. To treat with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness. 2. To affront or demean: an absurd speech that insulted the intelligence of the audience.

There's a difference between a simple comment and a simplistic one. All of the detractors here so far have been simplistic insulters, nothing more. It feels increasingly like the majority of posters here are children -- that, or hopelessly bitter "losers," for lack of a better word. It just boggles my mind that, even after you personally acknowledge that every creative's got to go through the nasty disparagement (and that it's unfortunate) -- you still willingly join in the clusterfuck.

Why? Trying to "get back" at the fact that you ain't on a stage?

Perhaps what's more interesting is that the guys who capitalize on ridiculing George W. Bush for his thick, simple-minded style of speech are the same boys crapping out these half-sentence digs using the same formula.

To say "Boxcar sucks!" isn't the same as saying, "...you need to work on your beat and sincerity. Your performance has too many time-errors and gaps; you are trying too hard to create a persona that is not truly you. I'd prefer to see you sitting on a tall stool, in a business suit, genuinely aching at society's ills, rather than trying to be some wannabe homie with a NY attitude. Abandon your formulaic approach to '3 examples of'..."

(Commenter "Bund" contributed this in one of the last Boxcar posts. "Aw, hell" actually typed something meaningful earlier in this thread.)

If you're not going to bring something substantial here, even if it's highly acidic, then why waste your time, really? You just sound like a cocky frat boy/high-school juvenile with nothing better to do. Who else would take the time to actually write the junk you guys have been saying? Your one-liner bullshit sounds neither intelligent nor very clever, frankly. It just makes me wonder about the origin of these comments -- what kind of person is spouting this stuff.

And I know that whatever it takes, someone here's going to find the antonym of everything I've written, and feel particularly special for posting it -- effectively proving my points. I don't understand why so many of you just MUST be assholes, no matter what.

Bring on sincere (and actual) criticism. That, or go back to... I don't know, the Fark.com forums. You guys didn't pay a dime to get in the nightclub.

birdman, what a lame cop out. way to get around using that pesky "thinking" thing brains have to do sometimes.

we know you think boxcar sucks. that's not criticism. tell us precisely why you think he sucks.

now you're gettin there, big guy....

birdman: uhhhh.... cuz he sux? lol :)