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What incredibly infantile arrogant behavior from the President of the United States. He has no respect for the office. All class!



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Keith Olberman reports a finger would be funnier but according to those who were there it's his thumb



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update: John Godfrey (Dow Jones Newswire) writes, "I was in the scrum of reporters at the event. Bush did not flip anyone off. He was clearly giving a thumbs up in response to a question shouted from the crowd." I called John to verify the email was from him and to ask him if there was any doubt in his mind, he said there was not. I forgot to ask him if he's sighted.


 

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It's one thing for me to say, "Fuck the Corporate Media," every chance I get, but I'm not president.

And everybody always seems mystified about that ever-present smirk of his regardless of whether he's discussing genocide or torture...

Now that's what I call a class act!

Wow. Someone stick a fork in, he's done! I think I want to get a good quality screencap of that and print it on t-shirts :)

You want to put a screenshot on a T-shirt? I strongly suggest using one from this video.

Norm, he's never had respect for the Office of President of the United States of America.

Um, that looks like he's giving the "thumbs up" to me. Looks a bit too short to be his middle finger and really, does he have the dexterity to flip the bird?

BushCo. - Where discourse is relegated to the gutter.

i wish that were an impeachable offense.

http%3A%2F%2Fanon.salon.speedera.net%2Fanon.salon%2Fmedia%2F2004%2F10%2FBushUncensored.mov

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I think he was try to say I'm number 1 but he used the wrong finger, yea that's the ticket! Ha ha ha.

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I think he was try to say I'm number 1 but he used the wrong finger, yea that's the ticket! Ha ha ha. At leaste he didn't say go fuck yourself.

Thanks for sharing. How I wish he had a taping system like Nixon's to record his private conversations for "history". Can't you just imagine the bile and the contempt for the media and the American people that must come out when he thinks he's alone with Rove or Cheney or Libby or Rummy, or just talking back to the TV set?

He says "go fuck yourself" to the world every day.

that's his thumb, I think . . . .

Thats his one fingered victory salute. CAFTA passed so that's his message to the American worker.

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I saved the pic and brightened it and zoomed in Photoshop.... hard to say if it's his middle finger or thumb. I'm leaning toward thumb, though. Has anyone else tried this? I want to know whether or not we should all be angry here.

Wouldn't that be censored if it really was the middle finger? I don't think that network censors allow middle fingers on the air.

Anyone who thinks that's his thumb needs to pause the film, then take a good long look at their own hand. And maybe try to repeat that gesture. What you're looking at is the back of the hand, knuckles horizontal. There is absolutely no way to give a "thumbs up" with your knuckles horizontal. The thumb is neither bends that way or is that long.

Definitely a thumb - play it slowly and watch his hand rotate. Who knew Chimpy's thumbs were opposable?

That is most certainly NOT his thumb. Run it fram-by-frame as he begins to raise it. It is clearly his middle finger.

I can see how, as he lowers it, you could mistake it for his thumb, but it's very obvious on the way up that it's his middle finger.

wow.

and the audience just laughs. hahahahahaha.

Like someone has said before, it does not matter if THIS time it was his thumb of middle finger. Everyday he tells Americans and the rest of the world to F... themselves, through his actions.

By the way. I think its his thumb.

Thats not his thumb. I'm sure thats how Rove will spin it though.

Hey, we are all Texans now.

Thumb? Not even close.

That was no thumb. You think Leno, of all people, would embarass the president like that if he wasn't sure it was exactly what it looks like? Then again, as someone pointed out, the audience doesn't seem to care. Ha ha.

Bummer... after gettin' all riled up - upon close, frame by frame review... it is his thumb. Doesn't really matter though... there's a reason why we were all so willing to believe that he was flipping off the world.

That certainly is the straightest thumb I've ever seen.

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That was the thumb. If you pause it and do it in slow mo, backwards, it is obviously the thumb. The thump is what you would use to gouge out an eye.

Sorry, but it looks to me as if it's his index finger. It's a little shocking at first but after repeated viewings it looks more like the index finger than the middle finger.

I have to agree. That's his thumb. It's a shame too, since it's clear that he has no problem flipping people off and he has no respect for the office of the president. But, that's his thumb.

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Thats his #1 finger.

He didn't flip anyone off for god's sake.

He's signaling #1

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It is too long to be the thumb. However it may be his index finger -- that is, he's signalling to someone in front that he's there. I note that there is a chunk of hand to the left of the finger, suggests that it's the middle finger. But at the resolution we have here, it could be the index finger and that chunk could easily be his thumb.

Karl Rove said it was okay.

thumb. thumb. thumb. as much as i'd like for it to be otherwise... thumb thumb thumb.

How can I print the still picture?????????????????

I've been flipped off enough to know, that's not his thumb.

It's not his thumb or his middle finger. It's his INDEX finger.

The great finger/thumb debate. Watch the mechanics of his hand when it comes down and you'll answer it for yourself.

exactly... watch his hand rotate on the way back down. be reality-based! :P

C'mon, let's not let Rove and Co. ruin this moment for us. It's a freaking middle finger, alright? Case closed.

You may find this more to the point:

I got your mandate right here

Freeze-frame his hand on the way back down. Clearly a thumb.

Darwin is right. There's no way it's the middle finger. Right before his hand disappears behind Hastert, you can see it clearly.

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The last two frames before his hand disappears clearly reveals that it's his - - - - thumb.

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Bush has five thumbs? that explains, why everything he touches breaks. Now I understand it...

You guys with the thumb comments are insane. Like Thud said, nobody's thumb reaches that high in the aigh while the nuckles are horizontal - so get a grip. Its probably not the middle finger either though. You can't make a fist and stick your middle finger in the air without the index finder coming up at least halfway.

You guys with the thumb comments are insane. Like Thud said, nobody's thumb reaches that high in the air while the nuckles are horizontal - so get a grip. Its probably not the middle finger either though. You can't make a fist and stick your middle finger in the air without the index finder coming up at least halfway.

I do graphics for a living, I captured the video and examined it.

It is his thumb.

I do graphics for a living. More importantly, I don't dillude myself. It's a middle finger.

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I have to agree with the last thumb comment. There's NO way that his thumb could be so thin (from any angle) or straight, not to mention long. My theory is that this is actually his index finger. His thumb his folded over to the left of this finger, thus making his hand appear wider. This wideness on the left side of the finger that is shown is normally known to be the result of raising the middle finger. If the thumb is folded down, perhaps into the palm of the hand, then there would only be one finger's worth of width visible to the left of the extended middle finger. With his thumb NOT folded into his palm, and with his index finger extended, the same space that we're used to interpreting as indicating an extended middle finger could easily appear. We think that the middle finger is raised rather than the index finger.

photopro, I don't care if you do graphics. No way it was the thumb. But admittedly it could have been the index finger.

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After reviewing it again, and checking the very last frame before his hand disappears, it does look a little like his thumb is extended. I think I may have been a little hasty in my first post....

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Photopro is correct - the last two frames: his hand rotates and it is obviously and clearly his thumb.

It was his thumb. I thought otherwise on first viewing (and thought those who suggested it was the thumb were being ridiculous). But watch it frame by frame and it's obviously a thumbs up.

Move along, folks. There's plenty of other things wrong with this president to focus on.

You're all wrong. It's a folded up piece of paper between his thumb and forefinger.

Uh, idiots, look at the captured image on the top right of the page. It's the middle finger.

Not thumb. Not index. Case closed.

This makes us idiots?

Truly unbelievable, you guys could care less what the truth is, you simply follow Bush the satanist muderer like lil sheep. Idiots.

I remember when Reagan flipped the bird while walking across a tarmac. How nice.

This is the difference between the right and the left. if this were Clinton, the right wing noise machine would be screaming bloody murder about how shamefully the president had behaved by flipping off the press, not debating whether it was his thumb or his middle finger. Politically, this is a terrific opportunity to point out to people who believe that bush is honorable and nice that he really isn't. Do we take it, or do we give him a break and assume that he was giving the press a thumbs up?

Sorry guys. As much as I hate Bush and would like to believe that what i have seen on the video is his middle finger, I do believe that he is giving the thumbs up to someone ahead of him. Sorry to disappoint.

Um, who gives a s**t?! This is such a non-issue. Quit wasting time with this nonsense.

p.s. Not a Bush fan either, but there are other things to address.

It's his thumb. Hate to say it. Frame by frame, as he brings his arm down after the hand is raised, it's clearly his thumb sticking out.

Clearly, its Rove's penis.

It's not his thum or his middle finger, it's his index finger you god damn dumbshit liberals.

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God save the Presidency until 2006.

I gotta say - and I despise Bush with the heat of a thousand suns - that's his thumb. Aw well. Too bad we have nothing else to be angry at him for.

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Oh, my-god! Ya mean we have to last until 2008 with these clowns?

Does anyone hold the possibility that perhaps that was his thumb he threw up in the air? Although the close-up shows a digit that "seems" to be too long to be a thumb, the blur could be distorting the photo. In the action footage, the finger looks like a thumb. All you Bush-haters are getting it wrong.

Actually, I think he just caught a little piece of ham hock that Hastert coughed up as it was flying through the air.

That is most definitely his middle finger. Just pause the picture, no photoshop or enlargement needed.

Yes, it looks at first that it is his middle finger, but playing the tape a second time, it's obviously his thumb. His hand is tilted to the side.

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Hey Fred, Thumb is not spelled "thum" and it's "God damned" in lieu of "god damn". Just thought you'd like to know before you go back to your job as rocket scientist(pocket variety).

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Dumbass. It's Gannon's Cannon.

Who cares? Damn, you liberals are pussies.

As much as I wanted to believe it was his middle finger it is his thumb...don't look at his hand being horizontal with knuckles showing his hand is actually twistedthe knuckles are facing to the right his thumb is extended and his curled fingers look like the folded index finger when you get flipped. Either way though I think somebody should flip him the bird.

When are people going to stop making excuses for Bush?

It's his middle finger no matter how people try to spin it. Oh, but he's such a gawdlee man. Suckers!

As much as I wanted to believe it was his middle finger it is his thumb...don't look at his hand being horizontal with knuckles showing his hand is actually twistedthe knuckles are facing to forward his thumb is extended and his curled fingers look like the folded index finger when you get flipped. Either way though I think somebody should flip him the bird.

This is ridiculous. It's his thumb, but even if it weren't, who gives a damn? If liberals put this much effort into organizing for elections, you might acutally win occasionally.

Deep-seeded-liberal wannabe is what James is. Either that or he wants a more meat & potatoes kind of fight.

Thumb. Definitely. And I dislike Bush as much as anyone.

It is interesting how many people swear it's his finger, though. I guess some people really do see what they want to see.

Sorry to say folks... it is a "thumbs up". After scrutinizing the video frame by frame (watch as he drops his hand. the "finger" is still extended and the wrist rotates back in towards the body.) for it to be his middle finger, he would have to twist his wrist as he drops it for the finger to still be extended and viewable. As an avid Bush hater since 98, I would love to say he is flipping the bird, however, it is a "thumbs up"

anyone who thinks that is his thumb is BLIND

For it to be his thumb, either his thumb has to be 7-8 inches long and threaded between his middle finger and ring finger or his wrist would have to be turned on its side to do so.

It was not his thumb. It was his middle finger.

Quit spinning it otherwise.

Deal with it. This man is a turd with no social graces or human conscience.

I blew it way up in photoshop. It's his brain. He has his brain on his middle finger.

Look, I think Bush is the worst thing that ever hanppened to this country, but let's try to maintain our credibility here on this one.

It doesn't look like a finger to me...OR a thumb. If you zoom in on the picture, you can clearly see his thumb along the left side of his raised fist. Similarly, the rest of his hand looks clenched, and the mystery digit looks out of place. It's not even the same color as the rest of his hand (god bless Photoshop).

My guess: he's imitating Bob Dole, maybe even intentionally as a joke, by holding a pen in his hand with a fist.

C'mon people. Between Rove, Iraq, and a series of recent defeats, criticizing Bush right now is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

By chasing Red Herrings like this and displaying mock outrage at any perceived slip, you're only helping the Bush people change the subject, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR 3 WEEKS NOW!!

Stay on target.

After pausing the video so that I could get a good view, there is no doubt in my mind. That's his thumb. Even Bush is not dumb enough to give the press the middle finger.

This is clearly his pointer finger, follow the whole gesture frame by frame with your own pointer finger in the air. All of Bush's proven lies out there and you people are wasting your time on this?

He may be an ignorant turd, but he is not flipping the bird there. Sorry, he just ain't.

Don't get too excited by this - wait for the Plame investigation to start exposing the real dirt and get excited by that.

Bush will not serve his full term. thank God!

Its an audacious move, but its his friggin THUMB. Move on...'these aren't the droids your looking for'.

Perhaps, we oughtn't complain too much about this.

After all, this may be the only time that he was ever truthful with the American people.

Now, we see what he really thinks if us...inluding the troops in Iraq.

http://petitiononline.com/noorkhan/petition.html

This is all rather Orwellian. "How many fingers am I holding up?" People see what they want to see or what they've been brainwashed to believe.

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ITS A ROLLED UP WHITE PAPER

his fingers are fleshcolored. Put your right hand out like you were holding a popsicle, and at the same time giving the thumbsup. Instead of a popsicle, substitute a rolled piece of paper.

watch afterwards when his hand goes down you can see a white flash.

wheres my prize?

Well, for the brain dead, the single finger salute is more direct then his devil sign, which he is known to invoke. Just like a good Christian family man:)

Ya know... it's not like he hasn't done this before guys... there's an UNDENIABLE flipping of the bird if you google search "bush middle finger". The video clip isn't blurry AT ALL.

http://www.lowreview.com/posts/bush%20middle%20finger%20purple.jpg

Try calling that a thumb!

Before so many get themselves all worked into a lather, has it occurred to anyone that he might be giving the thumbs up sign? That's what this appears to be to me. Perhaps less than responsible -- and credibility damaging, not to mention disappointing -- of Salon to assume the vulgar on this one. A Rorschach test of sorts.

You are all crazy. You are putting so much effort into fighting over such trival issues that you are missing the most significant ones.

What you are looking at is the backside of the baboon that runs the country. Who cares about the twinkie in his hand.

You people kill me. I've flipped off enough people, and been flipped off enough times, to know one when I see one. That's a middle finger. Try it yourself with your right hand. Tuck your thumb into your palm, whip out that middle digit, and see what it looks like. One finger (knuckle) to the left of the digit and two more to the right.

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Ok, All of you who claim that this is a thumb:::

Well... is this???

http://anon.salon.speedera.net/anon.salon/media/2004/10/BushUncensored.mov

It's his "one finger victory salue"...

Now what? Is that his thumb too? I'm sure he did flip of the camera, it doesn't seem to be out of his league... (you can google search "bush middle finger" to find clear pics for those skeptics) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I was there. It's was and is his middle finger.

BillGates has it right. Too bad that camera wasn't a gun instead!

BillGates has it right. Too bad that camera wasn't a gun instead!

there is a simple test, go stand on a similar distance and film it if you don't want to believe the blur, there is no way this is a thumb or an index finger from any angle if you have a normal hand.

Middle it is and it ain't the first time he couldn't keep himself from behaving.

Anybody who really thinks that that is a thumb apparently can't tell the difference between true love and sodomy either. Or maybe they don't WANT to know the difference because they're having so much fun since Bush was "elected".

Tis, Tisn't, Tis, Tisn't, this argument over the obvious is a great example of America's problem. Half of you are dumb enough to vote for Bush, so getting the fact's right is not the point, just being ahead in an ongoing battle is the best you can hope for.

Wankers

First the creds: I'm an AVID editor who's dealt with all kinds of video files for at least ten years now (not to mention the old-style edit controlers I operated in the years before digital video editing). So I've got good background in discerning badly pixalated images.

If you look at the scene frame-by-frame, the finger clearly fades to the left - where your thumb would fall if it were coming down from a "thumbs-up".

Although I'm a liberal, and would love for this to be yet another sign of Bush's contempt for the American people, it is clearly a thumb he's holding up. Fellow liberals/progressives: do NOT follow this too far. It'll be more fuel in the conservative claim that liberals are crazy and see what they want to see when wanting to denigrate Mr. Chimpy. If you want to continue to believe it's a middle-finger, please do so privately. Otherwise you'll just prove the neo-cons right about liberals.

Doesn't even look real.

Look, Fellas, I want it to be the finger. I really, really do. But it's a "thumbs up".

upon close inspection, that is definitely his pinky toe!

Thumb it is. You have to realize that he's doing the thumbs up to somebody in front of him. Try it and see -- do a thumbs up sign pointing in front of you (or see how W does it here).

Wish it were otherwise, but if you look at it from behind, with a grainy TV view, the thumb is pointing back at the camera just a bit, and as he brings his arm back down it points to the left.

What looks like the top of his knuckles is his index finger knuckle (to the right of the thumb), and the rest of the index finger, bent into his palm (to the left of the thumb).

Not clear, by any stretch, but definitely thumb.

Give me a freakin' break! It's his "f**k you" finger, plain and simple. He has space on the left and right of that finger, less on the left because there is only one finger being held down. Christ! you can even tell in the blurred still in the upper right of this thread!

It's his thumb, if you watch it in slo-mo, you can see the extended digit turn towards his body perpendicular to his arm (i.e., try and adjust your middle finger perpendicular to your arm/wrist).

Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to see this chump impeached, but trying to pin profane hand gestures on the man is grasping for straws.

I did watch BushUncensored.mov and he's obviously giving the finger in that clip, however he was definitely not the president when that movie was filmed. (i.e., he's under considerable pressure to 'behave' now that he's president), thus it's not a noteworthy 'flipping'.

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I think the pic in the upper right corner is ambiguous. What isn't ambiguous is when you watch the motion of his hand as he brings it up in the video. You can clearly see the circle formed by his thumb and forefinger when his hand is at an angle, while the a different finger is clearly sticking up at the same time. In other words, his thumb and forefinger are doing other things.

Here's a capture from Norm's video clip, with a simple "edge detection" effect showing that it's not the bird.

Put your right fist on the table. Then put your thumb up. Then point that straight in front of you. That's pretty much what we're looking at here.

He also flashed the bird when the cameras were rolling before an appearance as governor of Texas.

http://www.mrbill.net/bushfinger.gif (animated)

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This is clearly his index finger. He is signaling to someone ahead of him that is looking in his direction. Bush does not even know what the middle finger means. His hand is turned about 30 degrees counter-clockwise. To the left you see his thumb, then following to the right is his index finger, then middle and ring finger are down. Last finger is not seen because his hand is twisted. That is why his hand looks a little thin.

It's actually his thumb. Look at the position of his hand. His palm is faced toward his chest. It's a thumb.

As much as I wish it wasn't it is his thumb. If you watch it in slow-mo it is obvious it is his thumb as he lowers his hand.

Has anybody considered that Bush initially flipped the bird and then, as he moves his hand, changes his hand in a "point-the-gun" motion to ultimately emphasise the thumb?

It's similar to flipping off a cop while "pushing" yhour glasses up on your nose. You start with the middle finger then smoothly switch over to the index.

One thing I do see, the middle finger is proudly extended for at least a lonely moment.

Yep, that's a thumbs up you stupid liberals.

Its his thumb. Just pause it and slo-mo advance it. Also make a thumbs up with your hand, from that angle your thumb is sticking up the middle of your hand

it's his thumb. the knuckles are too the right what you're seeing on the left is the rest of his fingers curled. because it's so far away it's an illusion.. there's no depth perception

hold your arm straight out and give a thumbs up. i'll look just like his.

It is his big toe

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Nice try, dude, but no. Don't get me wrong, though, the press surely does deserve the finger!

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thats his index finger, we just spent 5 minutes figuring out, i cannot be his middle finger, and it doesnt look right to be a thumb. Who cares anyway? he will be gone in a couple of years.

If it were Clinton it would be his cigar. That's what it looks like to me.

This looks doctored to me, for a host of reasons.

The hand appears to be squashed, and not wide enough for his wrist. The lighting on the hand is wrong in context with the surroundings. There are significant artifacts in the video, including a shift in the position of the hand itself.

All of this could easily be explained away by the compression of the video to a web-friendly size, but I'm putting off judgement till I see real footage of the event.

I think that is his index finger. Let's not get to wrapped up in this. Bush's crimes against humanity are far worse than any supposed gesture. Let's still from some bombs exploding, or some documents being shredded and debate THAT. He's still a big dick though, so we're all on the same page there. Hah!

that's the thumbiest thumb that's ever thumbed.

His thumb?

Bahahaha

And he already "Flipped the bird" on-camera on another occasion.

originally looking at it, it appears to be the middle finger, but upon replay, its clearly either the thumb or index..

video > image, always.

good for bush, he should stand on the roof of the whitehouse and piss on the reporters. That would be funny.

Oh yes! Obviously it is a cigar. And I do know a cigar when I see one.

Morons...is not his middle finger. He is either pointing the index finger up or giving thumbs up...jackasses.

You guys must be quite desperate to magnify tv footage in order to blame bush for "something."

He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt -- he's done it before. He thinks flipping the bird is funny and cute (you can tell by the expression on his face). Here we have the first criminally-convicted president. It is a sign of the times this multi-millionaire child occupies the White House. Here Bush is drinking more than 5 years after he claims he stopped the bottle. Guess more than one war has been lost by Bush.

It really is his thumb - as much as it would be funny to catch him flipping off the nation. A higher-resolution copy of the clip from the TiVo made it really clear that it was just his thumb and nothing more. If you watch the low-res quicktimes, it does become a little more obvious that it's his thumb when he's swinging his arm back down to his side. His hand twists back to a neutral position and the offending digit is definitely on the side of his hand.

(again, there's no guessing on the higher resolution clip - it's clearly his thumb)

Sorry gang :)

Looks like a thumb to me...

I think people need to focus on his repugnant administration and political ambitions rather than a blurry thumb thrust skyward.

Don't forget he's had practice - i'm inclined to say 'middle' http://www.freepressinternational.com/bush.098267.victory.salute.8716209.html

For those of you who actually think that's his thumb... now I know who actually believed him when he said Iraq had WMDs. Wow... hahahah... his thumb.... whoa!

It's obviously his index finger you foo's. It definitely looks like a middle finger at first, but NOT a thumb.. have any of you ever SEEN your own thumb? If yours is that long, start playing NBA..

You guys are too focused on the finger and hand. Look how skinny his wrist is. If you see the back of your hand your wrist is wide, if you see the side of your hand (thumbs up) i'ts skinny. The guy who played rugby, baseball, and works on a ranch all the time doesn't have skinny girly wrists. clearly its a thumb.

This is not the first time Bush has give us all the finger. He has done it at least twice before. I posted a couple of pics of Bush giving America the bird on my blog, and I just checked. One of them is still there in the archive. It is unmistakable. Closeup. And a nasty look on his evil face.

Look, Bush is a comon thug who happened to be born in a silver spoon family. He has thug instincts. This finger gesture is the kind of thing Tony Soprano would do. I'll get one of the pix up on a today post. Click on my link.

I wish he WERE giving them the finger, but clearly he's not.

I believe he has been flipping everyone off for quite some time now. I have a flim on my site that was prior to the 2nd SELECTION...and he is doing the same sign language as above. George Walker Bush ...The Faith Based Compassionate _ _ Fill in the blanks. Copy paste the below link to view yet another finger to the world, if it does not work as an active link

http://members.tripod.com/insideoutgraphics2/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/georgebush.mov

As much as I hate the guy, after watching the clip carefully, I gotta say it's a thumb.

Amazing. You people have nothing better to do that complain about an image that by the way...you MISINTERPRETED. As as for "respect for the presidency", I'm surprised you can say that with a straight (albeit liberal) face.

who gives a fuck !?! and if he is flipping them off...who gives a fuck !?! fuck the press and your mom!!!

Amazing. You people have nothing better to do that complain about an image that by the way...you MISINTERPRETED. As as for "respect for the presidency", I'm surprised you can say that with a straight (albeit liberal) face. And for the record, a few of you could use a good "fuck you" every now and then. maybe it would keep you humble and a bit more respectful!

it's his fucking thumb you jackmehoffs

It's his frikkin thumb idiot.

BTW, you lost the election. It's been months now. The US wants Bush.

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Yea, and I heard that President Bush also beats up starved refugees, and spices his filet mignon with their tears.

This is the guy that calls his best buddy "Turd Blossom". (see Doonesbury, if you can). What more would we expect?

I just assumed it was his middle finger when I first watched this, but if you look at the two frames where he puts his hand back down, it's pretty obviously his thumb because it's completely on the left side of his hand.

If that's a finger, he broke it. It's still vertical when his forearm is nearly horizontal. You try it.

the news clip shot if from PMSNBC, nuff said on why the poster is watching it ;) Is focusing on STUPID little things like this and trying to make them a big issue all the democrats/liberals have left? wow, keep up the good work. we'll be a republican house for a looooong time :D

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Yea, and I heard that President Bush also beats up starved refugees, and spices his filet mignon with their tears.

Has anyone noticed that that was his thumb and not his middle finger? Everyone commenting about class and this and that are the morons. If you're too stupid to watch the hi-res video and go frame by frame, then pull your head out of your @$$.

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Its his index figure, click the quicktime button to advance a frame at a time, you can plainly and clearly see that it is his index finger.

The Anti-Bush crowd are just as bad for America as ass cancer would be for Richard Simmons.

/Direct Democracy will prove liberals and conservaties are both just loud vocal minorities, that are in the business of fucking us over.

Tyranny of the Minority historically is worse than Tyranny of the Majority.

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thumb or no thumb

Impeach,convict,hang,including the Zionist Mafia that is running this Country.

Hey dumbass (so it's true) you're pretty stupid if you can't tell the difference between a thumb and an index finger.

What, like getting blown by an intern in the Oval Office is showing respect for the position?

Bush may be stupid, but come on, he's not so stupid that he would flip off the press while the cameras rolled.

P.S. It's his thumb you morons.

Yeah! How disrespectful! Next thing you know, he'll be getting his dick sucked by an intern in the oval office.

I just assumed it was his middle finger when I first watched this, but just look a bit closer and it would be anatomically impossible. It was already pointed out that you can see that it's his thumb in the last couple frames where he puts his hand down. The finger is completely on the left side, which if it was his middle finger would mean he twisted his hand around in a way which would likely break a person's wrist.

It was then argued that it's obvious that the still image at the upper right shows it's his middle finger. Well, look at that picture again. Look at his wrist. Is he a starving Ethiopian with arms like twigs, or is that the narrower side of his arm, the side where his thumb would be?

Bush is the worst president we've ever had, but don't assume that he's got to be so utterly moronic that he wouldn't hesitate to do something so pointlessly offensive.

Yeah! How disrespectful! Next thing you know, he'll be getting his dick sucked by an intern in the oval office.

Fuck class. That took balls. I'll take balls over class in a Prez anyday.

wow. "thumb or no thumb" has got to be up there with "anyone but" and the cry of a desperate and sad party. "impeach, convict, hang...zionist mafia..."? is this the stuff your professor taught you or are you just another liberal droid?

Okay, I've gotta throw mine in, because y'all are wrong. It is not a thumb, and it's not a middle finger. It is most certainly his index finger. You can tell if you watch it backwards, frame by frame and watch the hand on its way "up" from that direction.

You know I hate the guy and want him hung, but that's clearly his thumb.

Pissy little whiners... That sums up what's left of the Democratic party these days. The shrill crys of spoiled children in the supermarket who can't have everythign they want.

Have you ever noticed that EVERY liberal will counter with "They did it too/first!!" when challenged? The similarity to preschool behaviour is amazing. An insane jealousy for those who have something they don't... justify anything by claiming little Johnny did it first....

I piss on ALL of them, from a very high place.

Thats a thumb :P

unless he can move his middle finger to the outside of his hand as seen when he lowers it if you go frame by frame - then its his thumb. you can still see knuckles even if your hand is not flat to the camera.

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It's a thumb. It's very obvious once you watch it a few times. The monkey likes to give the 'thumbs up' a lot.

this video was taken while he was governor, not president. democrats are gay

ITS NO THUMB at http://kalamazoopride.blogspot.com. The problem with too many Bush supporters is they never learned critical thinking. Bush depends on morons for votes.

Its about time someone told the press what most of us think of them (the elite media)! Cudos for George!

Its about time someone told the press what most of us think of them (the elite media)! Cudos for George! Oh, and by the way--That WAS NOT his middle finger--but why bother with facts

ITS NO THUMB at http://kalamazoopride.blogspot.com. The problem with too many Bush supporters is they never learned critical thinking. Bush depends on morons for votes.

And the reason this gesture is significant is that it is a strong indication of Bush's attitude toward all of us, and his attitude shapes his presidential policy. GEEZ, do I have to spell it out for people who don't know HOW to THINK?

It's funny, I suppose, to play it that way. But why, exactly, is he giving them the finger? I've seen the real clip, and there isn't any questioning or badgering. Upon closer review, I've come to the conclusion he's putting up a "we're #1" sign that, with shading and slightly off kilter angles, looks alot like the bird.

Not a huge fan of the guy, but you gotta be honest about this stuff. I see no reason to use an incident like this, which is not clear at all, to lambaste the guy.

Sorry for all the people using this to claim "he's got no class". There's nothing to pin on him with that statement. Zoom in and you'll see it's an index finger.

The man is an ass. He did not have a mandate in 2000. He stole votes in 2004 via Diabold's electronic voting machines in Ohio. If the religious and homosexual issues were not sold to the middle and pious right, we would have a different president today. One that I think would only sell out to Heinz ketsup and not the oil, gas, and energy industries.

Bring our troops home!!! We need to go hydrogen and there will be no problems!!! No blood for oil....peace with hydrogen!!!

I am ashamed to be represented by this fool!!

maybe this will shed some light on finger/thumb debate. If it could go either way, does the presidents middle finger history have any bearing?

This is from an video shoot, and you can get the whole thing if you want by a quick Google search.

http://slapnose.com/images/blog/1004/1004bushfinger_318x254.jpg

Eat my butt.

liberal claptrap!

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Whoooo boy, we have got us some Bush hate'n, tree hugg'n, pansy ass liberals in this board! You guys crack me up with this "he might have flipped the press the bird so he should be impeached" shit. Come on, give it up please. Can someone explain to me why "almost flipping the bird" is worse than lying to Congress, cheating on your wife and completely killing the respect of your office? You're like "Yeah, Clinton fucked an intern or two but since Bush flipped them the bird he has to go."

I am glad to see you have your priorities straight.

Wah.... wah....

I'm sure you guys were really up in arms when our last president was getting hummers in the Oval Office.

You are all so sad. You keep losing elections... it must hurt real bad.

You guys are dumb @5535 it is obviously his thumb. That is clearly demonstrated by the narrow appearance of the wrist area. Try it yourself and it is clear to see.

Idiots....

Who cares?

Sorry guys. I've been a tv producer for 10 years, and frequently am called upon to "clean up" and help analyze video footage for the police. That's his thumb. If you make the thumbs up gesture and reach as high as you can with it, you'll notice that your thumb tends to form a straight line with your wrist as you reach... causing slight rotation of your hand, making the thumb appear to sprout from the middle of the mass of your fist, not the left side. Also keep in mind that interlaced NTSC video is known for distortion like that, particularly when captured and played back on non-interlaced codecs.

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Who really gives a shit whether GW flipped anybody the bird or not? When the country could give a shit that Bush took us to war with lies, that he has nearly pillaged the treasury for the benefit of his friends and supporters, that he is trying to revert social policies to the caveman age--if none of these issues are enough to get the electorate pissed off at getting screwed, how can we get bothered about a stupid finger??

Liberal turd-muffins, the lot of you. No wonder you voted for the intern-banging, definition of 'is' debating, phoney and his 'internet-inventing' sidekick. Do me a few favors, in this order:

1) dig a hole 8'x3'x5' 2) jump inside 3) cover yourselves with dirt

Please. Thank you.

Now I've seen everything---if liberals would spend this much energy inot something really important (like all comitting suicide) they may actually win an election----MORONS--it is FUC**NG THUMB!!! (And i thought liberals in blue states were intellegent)

to quote a bumper sticker "clinton lied...no one lied". So what he fucked an intern or two..a politician lying? unheard of!!! spare me that shit about clinton it's OLD!

Bush a liar too...but, worst he's a murderer!!!

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I love Bush.

George is cool too.

i mean "no one died"

ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!ITS A THUMB!~!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys got it all wrong.

Somebody in the press asked him what his I.Q. was.

What a fuckin douchebag.

You guys got it all wrong.

Somebody in the press asked him what his I.Q. was.

What a fuckin douchebag.

Sorry, but that's a middle finger.

Believe otherwise if you want, but you're wrong (and you know it.)

bush has gotta go because he is a FUCKING MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....EVERYBODY FLIPS SOMEBODY OFF AND EVERY MAN GETS HIS DICK SUCKED! YOU STUPID IGNORANT FUCK!

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For the doubters... It's a thumb.

For those of you wasting your time debating the finger/thumb debate here and elsewhere...

There is plenty of scandal surrounding this man that you could debate/protest/feel indignant about for everyone! And all of them carry much more weight than a solitary finger.

Here's a few starters:

  • Supreme Court Nominee Roberts
  • Karl Rove Outs CIA Agent The General erosion of Civil liberties and the Patriot ACT renewal (whoops, I guess we let that slip through)
  • IRAQ
  • And Plenty More!

This is why we lost. It's a freaking thumb.

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For the doubters... It's a thumb.

For those of you wasting your time debating the finger/thumb debate here and elsewhere...

There is plenty of scandal surrounding this man that you could debate/protest/feel indignant about with much more weight than a solitary finger.

Here's a few starters:

  • Supreme Court Nominee Roberts
  • Karl Rove Outs CIA Agent
  • The General erosion of Civil liberties and the Patriot ACT renewal (whoops, I guess we let that slip through)
  • IRAQ
  • And Plenty More!

This is why we lost. It's a freaking thumb.

"peace with hydrogen...no blood for oil" ROFL! what liberal pussies. Let's see you don a uniform and try that. you'll be KIA in no time (if we're all lucky). Ever notice how when you poke a hole in the liberal agenda (and it's SO easy to do!) they always resort back to the the claptrap banter of peacenik protest signs? Human pond scum, the lot of you. I say...LEAVE. Take your opinions, your money and your two male friends who got married in Mass. and move to France where your opinions will fall on friendly ears.

All this from you people who spout off about free speech. No one says anything about Dick Durbans big mouth or the flippin Dixie Chicks...I hope he was telling the press to f off.They DESERVE it!!

You people need to get out a little more. I can't tell if it was a middle finger or not but what if it was? I bet you pansies never had a debate about the "respect" President Cliton had for the office while shoving a stogie in Monica's hoo hoo... did you?

All this from you people who spout off about free speech. No one says anything about Dick Durbans big mouth or the flippin Dixie Chicks...I hope he was telling the press to f off.They DESERVE it!!

I think he may have been talking to all you Bush haters.....You lost!!Get over it and move on!! You're going to keep losing if you keep focusing on piddly crap like this. If the Liberals would spend half as much time doing something productive as they do looking for something to whine about - maybe you might win something.I won't hold my breath though!! Thumbs UP!!

First time at the site... hope this is like a parody kind of place... cuz if it's not anyone that believes that, well, let's just say I'm happy they're not the President... talk about a bad fake

I wish I was wrong. But as the hand comes up, you can see the curled fingers to our left. The joints of Bush's other fingers (given the clear documentary evidence we have) are not perfectly horizontal when he's flipping the bird, they're tightly curled. So the joints wouldn't be perfectly horizontal. He's giving a thumbs-up to the media behind him, attempting to show confidence about the talks he was on his way to.

Not expecting to convince anyone, nor is it my job to. But that's what I see. goes back to looking at the news of the day for something truly outrageous

That, friends, is a Six Finger. Bush is obviously using this carefully plotted Rovian controversy to jack up the bid on his latest ebay offering

http://tinyurl.com/dvvnw

Conflict of interest issues are at the True Core of this scandalous act.

Fuck Bush, btw.

You guys are the dumbest idiots in the world. Your so stupid you have no ass on your butt.

Anyone who thinks that's his thumb needs to pause the film, then take a good long look at their own hand. And maybe try to repeat that gesture. What you're looking at is the back of the hand, knuckles horizontal. There is absolutely no way to give a "thumbs up" with your knuckles horizontal. The thumb is neither bends that way or is that long.

Sorry you have inflexible wrists there bud - no trouble replicating the thumbs up here.

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Fark, it's about time. Way to go G.W.!

As I recall, Clinton didn't "stogy" anybody on camera. Or did I miss something?

And you righty tighties have such astounding intellectual integrity ... voting for social service cuts AND tax breaks for the rich (check the actual tax codes, idiot, instead of parrotting what your preacher said) while the Red states have the hightest divorce rate/poverty rate/pregnant teens rate of any demographic .. yeah, I'm impressed.

My family has served in the armed forces in every U.S. war since they landed on Plymouth rock, and guess what, they all fought for freedom, democracy, and independence. Most of them came back alive and respected, the dead had all their wounds in front (know what that means, you draft-dodging twit?), and some of 'em brought medals home. If you think that's liberal pussydom, you can just kneel down and eat mine.

What I find amusing about this whole thing is how the conversation so rapidly devolves into a "bush is a moron" and "you lost, get over it".

The other funny bit is how I never heard liberals saying "all you conservatives are a bunch of losers and you need to get over it" when clinton one two consecutive terms.

YES!!!!

Go W go! the media dosnt like you anyways, may as well treat them the way you're treated

I hate Bush as much as the next guy, but if you step through the video you can see him extend his thumb before he brings his hand up and if you follow it up you can see he is just giving a thumbs up.

Besides, why do we need this video, when we have this one which nobody can contest is real:

http://www.goyk.com/video.asp?path=1061

And this wonderful image of Bush desecrating the American flag?

http://www.angels-of-love.com/images/bushsignsflag.jpg

I don't like Bush. But that looks like a thumbs up to me. Sorry

If you frame by frame it, you can tell it's his thumb.

Yeah...he's a jacka$$ and I wouldn't put it past him, but in this case, it's just wishful thinking.

No, no. You're all wrong. Obviously the presidential pen being used in a typical tough, brave, voice cracking with emotion, "follow me men", Lawrence of Arabia moment.

It is his thumb you over-reactionary twits. Do us all a favor and confront your parents about whatever it is they did to make you all so pathetically cynical.

It is Rove's cock.

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Norm, It seems that your post was more inflammatory than helpful. Respondents disagree about what is depicted. Even if one concedes the point to the "It's a finger" camp, there is disagreement about whether one should care. Amidst this double uncertainty vulgar language and name-calling proliferates. Emotional heat without intellectual light. Perhaps someone who wants to see politics in America conducted more rationally would do well to stick to important political issues and stick to rational argument to create and widen areas of mutual agreement. All this kind of thing--"Bush is vulgar" or "Santorum hates sex"--reeks of ad hominem argument. Is it any wonder that it calls down a hail of ad hominem responses? Bush's policies are often bad and the arguments that establish this are there to be made. Why waste time discussing his character flaws?

Norm, It seems that your post was more inflammatory than helpful. Respondents disagree about what is depicted. Even if one concedes the point to the "It's a finger" camp, there is disagreement about whether one should care. Amidst this double uncertainty vulgar language and name-calling proliferates. Emotional heat without intellectual light. Perhaps someone who wants to see politics in America conducted more rationally would do well to stick to important political issues and stick to rational argument to create and widen areas of mutual agreement. All this kind of thing--"Bush is vulgar" or "Santorum hates sex"--reeks of ad hominem argument. Is it any wonder that it calls down a hail of ad hominem responses? Bush's policies are often bad and the arguments that establish this are there to be made. Why waste time discussing his character flaws?

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As much as I laugh out loud whenever I hear a Bushie spew the things that they believe simply because they WANT to believe it, it saddens me to think that there are folks on the left who so easily fall into the same trap. IT IS HIS THUMB. You should be more concerned with the truth than you are with wanting a �Gotcha� moment. And then to call someone an idiot because they disagree is... well, idiotic � if not right-wingish.

Hey lets impeach him because he gave a thumbs up that we mistook for his middle finger!

how dare he.

you people are the reason america sucks not him.

Here is a real video of Bush giving the bird.. they weren't live and were getting ready for the speach, but still. He's being a real ldick to everyone there as well.

"He was clearly giving a thumbs up in response to a question shouted from the crowd."

I always suspected that evolution took a shortcut around the Bush family, especially Dumbya but I never thought that Mother Nature would think to put an opposable thumb where his middle finger should be.

Wow you people will belive anything huh? Hey I got some ocean front property in Arizona if we have any buyers or how about free trips to the moon with donations required pre-trip.

Hmmm, if it IS his thumb, why is his hand AND the finger staright up? Try it yourself, thats not how a thumbs up looks. For your thumb to be pointing straight up, your hand would have to be sideways, unless you have a 7-8 inch thumb that you can wrap around and make stick straight up from the middle of your hand.

I love neocon apologists who will say any dumb thing to make their boy look like an honorable guy. Get over it, the guy is a jerk, the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can stop saying rediculously stupid things.

As for should one care? Hey righties, what if Clinton had done it? WOuld you just 'let it go'?

Who does he flip off? The Press. Who does not cover it? The Press> Who is to blame for him being able to get away with so crap? The Press.

Jeez...

If you look at it closely (as anyone should if they're going to make such an accusation) it's blatantly clear that he was giving the thumbs up. I mean BLATANTLY clear.

Note that when he brings his hand down at the end of the second video clip, the finger in question is on the outside of his hand.

I'm glad you squashed this rumor, but did you not look at it closely before you posted it? I'm a Democrat and seeing stuff like this from the liberal blogosphere really disappoints me.

To Quote Cory: "Wow you people will belive anything huh? Hey I got some ocean front property in Arizona if we have any buyers or how about free trips to the moon with donations required pre-trip."

Yeah, WE Bush critics will believe anything. What we didn't believe was that Saddam had WMDs including nukes. What we didn't believe was that Saddam was behind 9 / 11. What we didn't believe was that it was a good idea to go to war in Iraq. And the Bush believers still believe all that nonsense.

If CLIT-on had done it we'd give about as much of a crap as we give about this? "NEOCON" wow, scrabble fan or liberal droid. you make the call ;)

It's not the first time he's done it. There is video of him elsewhere on the web, laughing and flipping someone off. It's not his thumb. As Leno says, it is off a "live feed" which means that it was not on the air until he (Leno) put it on. They know what it was, that's why they showed it.

It's what he does, and what he is, an immature frat boy, and a disgrace to our country.

Honor and integrity? I say NOT.

omg get over it, the guy is a douch bag, the press are douch bags, republicans are douch bags and democrats are douch bags. yappity yap yap you all sound like the god damn martians from mars attack with your incessant ramblings. the media are a bunch of slime balls and our president is not some holy saviour come to restore the world to Gods plan you morons, if all that mythology IS true hes the fucking antichrist and if (most probably) it's all bullshit he's still a bad guy who kills people. you follow because your mommies and daddies were republican and when confronted with the question of why you all can't answer you fall short. stop bickering and accept our media and our president suck...as do most of you I'm sure.

It's not the first time he's done it. There is video of him elsewhere on the web, laughing and flipping someone off. It's not his thumb. As Leno says, it is off a "live feed" which means that it was not on the air until he (Leno) put it on. They know what it was, that's why they showed it.

It's what he does, and what he is, an immature frat boy, and a disgrace to our country.

Honor and integrity? I say NOT.

Having supported the bill Clinton " ignore Terrorism while boing fat interns " frat party for 8 years..the fact that ANY Liberal or Democrat can now pretend to care about " juvenile " antics of " THe President of the United States " is more than laughable.....it's embarassing.....of course...to be embarassed, one would need to have shame...and liberals have none...

That said...the claim is bogus anyway ( NO....a Liberal LIE????? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!! )

it's a thumb, not ehe middle finger, althoug much of the press ( the leftist press anyway ) deserves the bird and much much more.....

I would like the man's head on a stick just as much as the next guy, but that is clearly his thumb. If it's any consolation my sources tell me he had just walked out of a closet after doing bumps of blow off a hookers ass though.

wow...seems like we are trying to find anything to nab the prez on are we???? getting a little desperate?? the biggest f*ck u to the news media and their political counterparts was the election and it wasn't the prez who did it.....it was the majority in this country.

deal with it....you lost....

it's obviously a thumb...the hand is way too narrow for it to be the middle finger. And I hate the guy. But he is NOT flipping off the media.

Some of you people seriously need to cool down and stop over-generalizing us liberals. Yes, "you" have control of the office, but that doesn't negate the fact that ~50% of the united states voted democrat. Since many of you seem to want to remind liberals of our loss any chance you get, why not use "your" position of power to grow up and give us something to actually respect? Right now all I'm hearing is name-calling, and I'm sick of it.

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Thumb! You can see it in the second video if you control the video speed. Go slow, and you can see his hand turning as it's going up...

Bush is a liar, a coward, and a thief, but he isn't giving anyone the finger in those clips.

God bless the Internet. It's like a big, idiot's clubhouse and everyone's allowed in!

And there's no better example than blogging and this dump in particular.

Yes, CLEARLY to anyone who is not a knee jerk reactionary it is his thumb. It can be clearly seen when he rotates his hand back.

now, let's impeach him for war crimes.

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It's his thumb. Let's stick to the countless blatant failures he's inarguably guilty of, and not get sidetracked on grainy footage that potentially shows he's guilty of immaturity. He's guilty of worse things than immaturity. Like, oh, war crimes.

Run your cursor back & forth over the play button bar thingy, so you can watch it slowly. Watch as he brings his hand held high back down to his side ��you see his thumb turning inward, counter-clockwise, on the way down. That's not his middle finger.

Follow the dead bodies, not the waving digits.

Having no political leanings whatsoever, the simplicity of the matter is that without even watching the video one can ascertain that President Bush most certainly did not flip anybody off.

The rationale simply being that as the President of the United States of America and leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world, he is not suddenly going to have an unbelievably drastic change of MO and start aggrigating and insulting anybody in his constituency.

If the President had a habit of flipping off people in public, or if he had a previously documented temper with aggrivating the press in such an extravagant manner, it could be plausable. And while the President probably isn't the greatest fan of the media, nor of their constant presence, he has never demonstrated any activities such as this in the last six-or-so years of his presidency. To have made a sudden "slip" in his mannerisms and attitudes is unlikely in the extreme.

In the end, I don't honestly care about the significance of the manipulations and significance of the President's digits.

There is rotation, no thumb, no side view, no nothing but middle finger. Get over it you stupid narrow minded pencil necked geeks he is giving the fuck you sign. Now in the words of Dickhead Cheney "Go fuck yourself".

Remember the movie "Reefer Madness"? It exaggerated the effects of marijuana to such a ridiculous degree that any real message about it's adverse effects was lost on a whole generation.

If the critics of Bush actually insist that this obvious thumbs up is a middle finger, what will the moderate swing voters think of the next and possibly very important point made in criticism of Bush?

Rove's penis!!!!! Hahahaha!!!!!! Oh, I haven't laughed that much in a long time. Thanks, anon -- that is truly the best comment in this thread! :-)

Holy crap, if you move it frame by frame it's obvious that its his first finger, it looks like the middle because his thumb is right next to it and turned just a bit. It's an illusion, nothing more. Get over it Bush haters, you got nothing, again.

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dang - y'all should ALL go outside for awhile once. Spend your energy where it can do some good. Realizing that my posting such a suggestion requires I do the same, first I'll waste as much time as all else here. Neocons, stop whining about BC gettin some side knob slobbin. He got some, you didn't. Get over that. Although plainly you're glad he was impeached over it, he didn't GET impeached for it. He didn't completely get away with it either, obviously. Don't whine about how Clinton had no respect for the office- Starr and the republican smear committee are the ones who degraded the office, position, and all Americans. Look up contempt in the dictionary. If that's all you can come up with STILL to throw into a free discussion like this, after all this time, compared to all the crap the current administration has gotten away with, you need to re-examine your priorities and your loyalties. Liberals and Democrats (not necessarily the same, by the way), quit with the piddly pathetic petty griping about all kinda dumb crap like this and freakin do something about it. Get a haircut, don't get high one day, and use the straight time to get something accomplished. As mentioned, W has flipped off cameras in the past. This is old news and old 'tude. Now go play.

Clearly, this is a poltergeist in a suit� And as much as I abhor Bush and his treasonist henchmen; I must say posting a phantom image of the president�s thumb is as useful as trying to reach down your throat, past your portal to pluck a butt hair. �A pretty useless and trite endeavor in my opinion; considering all that is going on in the world. Africa, Iraq, India, North Korea� "economy" �yet, it seems republicans are masters of triteness, so it�s good to see "liberals" giving republicans a challenge in trite. ...so thumbs up on the posting!

THUMB!

Just saw Homer Simpson threaten Bart with being sent to the army - where they:

" will send you off to the latest quagmire - North Korea, Iran, who knows? Anything is possible with Commander Cuckoo (kookoo?) Bananas in charge."

Homer does a mad dance flailing his arms as he says the last sentence.

Anybody like to post that video? Did it get shown in the US or just overseas?

Cheers

I'm a proud lefty and I hate Bushy da Chimp as much as anybody else, but come one. Its a friggin thumbs-up. How the hell did it ever get this much attention?

Damn, it is his thumb. I was so sure it was the middle finger.

Here's how to prove it one way or the other:

Imagine you're walking away from a camera, and you want to flip the camera off. Extend your right hand upward, TIGHTLY tucking in all but the middle finger INCLUDING YOUR THUMB, back of your hand toward the camera. Perfectly natural, right? VERY easy manouver, we can all concede that.

NOW, while keeping your finger extended, lower your arm and point the extended middle finger INWARD--toward the left side of your body--without letting ANY of your middle finger escape the view of the camera. What happens to your arm? That's not natural at all, is it?

In fact, you're MORE likely to either lower your middle finger or let loose your other fingers as-or-before lowering your arm, right?

Now, let's try a different tack. Shoot a thumbs-up to the camera behind you. The odds of your thumb being higher than your index finger knuckle are pretty low. The odds of the thumb being centered in your hand (in relation to the camera) is also pretty low.

But they're POSSIBLE.

Now, let's do the same exercise. Lower your arm and point your extended thumb INWARD--toward the left side of your body--without letting ANY of your thumb escape the view of the camera. What happens to your arm? Nothing. That's perfectly natural, isn't it?

So let's see what W is doing. This was easy for me because I have a scroll-wheel mouse, so once I played the video I scooted back and forth by using the wheel.

Watch his hand. Whatever digit it is, it remains fully extended until it's out of view. If it were any of his fingers, the elbow would kick out. It doesn't. If you go back and forth slowly, you can see that by the time that dingdon to his right turns his head, there's a HUGE paw of flesh to the right of the digit, and nothing to the left where the digit is.

Finger? No: thumb.

Play it some more. As soon as he starts to take his hand down, something unfolds immediately to the digit's left. Thumb? No: fingers.

Play it again. Watch the thing on the left side of his hand and watch ONLY that. Once he starts taking his hand down, the flesh on the left side turns into knuckles on the right.

This thing is OVER once everybody finds some way to scroll the action back and forth at their own speed a dozen times or more, each time paying attention to how the blob that is his right hand moves.

He has no reason to flip off the camera. Nobody said anything, nobody appears angry. The previous infamous video is from LONG before he was president, and that camera wasn't live.

You can believe whatever you want to believe; you have that right as Americans. But if your emotion takes a nap and your logic takes notice, you'd be hard pressed to ignore logic. ,

So this is what it has come to... you people need to get a life.

I have to laugh! 1) The press DESERVES the finger 2) You libs are the biggets bunch of FU**ING hypocrites I have ever seen 3) Talk about extremely minor events in the course of the day and the libs go nuts-

One thing is clear; the liberals WILL NEBVER win an election flipping out over flipping a thumb at the press

GROW UP!

Isn't he telling the public & the press FU pretty much every time he opens his mouth? How is this different or unique?

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Ok, I'm one of the biggest anti-Bush presidency people you could imagine, however after pausing the video and going frame by frame with the slide bar (yes you can do this right now!), I hate to admit it but I do believe it's his thumb (thumb up knuckles/fist facing forward). The guy is still a moron, and I have seen the other video where he did indeed give some staff the finger before a talk from the oval office desk (which makes this all the more believeable). I'm gonna have to let him off the hook on this one though. (shucks!)

The comments on this board towards "pansy-ass liberals" are disturbing. Some of us pansy-ass liberals have fought in Iraq. Some of us pansy ass liberals have seen our pansy ass liberal friends killed and buried in those 8X5X3" holes.

And now I see this. They died for you.

I'm disgusted that you think you're "lucky" that some liberals died over there. Do America a favor and think before you speak. I've NEVER heard a liberal say that they are glad that the mostly conservative service members are dying in the middle east. I'm ashamed of you. And I'm shaking with fear, sadness, and disgust.

We have different viewpoints, but we're all Americans. The sooner we start respecting each other and talking TO each other, rather than AT each other, the sooner America can pull herself out of this mess.

What have you contributed today? What have you done for your country today? I'm talking to BOTH SIDES. Nothing. You've degraded the American military, America as a whole, and worst of all you've degraded yourselves. Engaging in this kind of "debate" is worthless.

Congratulations. The future of this country looks a little less bright.

Was there this much disucssion when John Kerry flipped off a heckler at the Vietnam War Memorial?

eh take it frame by frame if you have a scroll mouse. You can see that as it goes up and a few frames before his hand is down you can see the line of his thumb.

the sixth and seventh frame show the finger magically moves to the middle

Anyone who commented in this thread after post #50 should be ashamed of themselves.

AS much as I'm a Bush hater tyoo in the closeup picture here its clearly his thumb. DANG IT hehehe.

As some one said hold up your thumb streight ahead as knukles pointed forward and your thumb back at you. The space on the left side is CLEARLY the index middle knuckle and again as someone pointed out watch as he lowers his hand you xcan se it rotate back down.

Sorry guys its the thumb. HOWEVER if you want to be upset he used the finger I'm sure somewhere is still the video where he is walking acorss the WH lawn after getting off the helicopter and its CLEARLY his middle finger he is showing so for those that want to belive he'd do this there is a more definate video of him doing this.

AS for the scumb bags on here yelling WAH WAH you liberial babies SCREW YOU!!! As if you all hold some high and mighty moral ground STFU!!!! Hypocits.

OH and yes as someone else stated there are plenty of reasons to hate Bush EVEN if it where his middle finger SO WHAT there are bigger issues to worry about and YES this gives the Neo-cons just one more reason to call liberials nuts and change the subject. So lets get back to the REAL problems like the defecit and health care, things that REALLY REALLY matter.

Looks like a thumb to me in the hi-res shot.

I tried and tried to shoot the finger and have that configuration of my hand. There is NO WAY that could be anything but a "thumbs up". Get a life.

Gordon

You are looking at the chimp's thumb. His hand is turned so the knuckles are aligned front to back. He has been known to use the middle finger on camera though. He is certainly not above using that gesture.

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It sure looks like a thumb. Why so much hype on that, why not on his gigantic bag of lies to wage war on oil countries?

It's clearly his thumb, watch as his hand comes down, it rotates to the left and the digit is CLEARLY on the side of his hand.

The power of suggestion has got many of you completely fooled, it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to have a thumb in the middle of the hand pointing skyward. Rather convenient to have the very first post saying he was there and it was "definitely" a thumb. Why do you think they call this thumb an opposing digit? Certainly not because thumb rhymes with DUMB! Get REAL!

Look, it's a thumb. It's a fakking thumb. I hate the man, but it's a thumb and we're idiots. And yes, my thumb is as long as my hand in that position. I have very long fingers, and I guess so does Bush.

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Someone said its ok for him to say it? Nice double standard. Guess I forgot "President" means "Makes no mistakes".

Wow. So many posts. This guy is a criminal. Who cares about this thumb/finger crap? Seriously. Bush should be impeached, tried, and jailed.

I bet Rove is thrilled. Let America focus on a hand gesture... not 100,000 dead in an illegal war in Iraq. Turd Blossom is laughing at you.

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I can't believe you people are arguing about fingers and thumbs! The presidency of Bush has been no different from that of Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Carter, Roosevelt, or even Kennedy. All have lied to their people. All have crushed dissent (with the help of the mainstream media, whether it leaned left or right). All have toppled democratically elected foreign governments to please their fruit/diamond/oil backers. The American empire has been on the move almost since day one, from the Spanish-American war to the Bay of Pigs invasion to Vietnam/Korea to Columbia, El slavador, Guam, Grenada, Iran, Iraq, and Haiti, to name but a precious few. The only difference with Bush is: - He is the current sitting president - He is dim-witted, narrow-minded, arrogant, stubborn, self-righteous, boisterous, and believes he speaks for God (Which incidentally epitomizes the world view of Americans in general) So, while you people argue over thumbs and fingers, supporting the troops, Republican vs Democrat (news flash: they're the same thing!), Bush vs Kerry (news flash: they have the same agenda!), the weaker countries of the world suffer under the crushing oppression of the only remaining empire. Congratulations on your achievement.

As much as i'd like to believe it's the genuine idiot expressing himself freely as King of The World it does seem clear that it's the index finger.

Here's why:

  • When flipping "the bird", the natural rotation of the hand is with palm up and all fingers except the middle clenched into the palm. In this view, the hand seems to be rotating such that palm is facing forward in the direction of travel and other fingers are present;

  • If it were the thumb, it's common to "pump" the hand up and down as if to give the expression greater intensity. That is not seen;

  • I see some flesh tone to the left of the raised finger. It's probably the thumb. The natural setting of the hand is that when the index finger is raised, the thumb also rises slightly due to the musculature;

  • Although one might consider it a clear middle finger, as it appears in the middle of the hand, so, too, will the index finger as the hand is rotated to bring the index finger into the midline of the image. I think this is what happened here - we see the thumb and the inner portion of the hand;

  • The raised finger is too long for a thumb;

  • The entorague with him did not react.

That's not to say that this president is a saint nor that he would have any hesitancy to flip the bird to anyone, I just don't think he did it here.

He may not be flipping the finger to everyone else in public, but his political and private acts tell the world a big "fuck you".

Brian Wilson, a reporter for Fox News asked President Bush in Spanish if Cafta was going to get the votes it needed to pass. The President responded with a thumbs up signal. That's what happened.

Speaking of CAFTA and the impact this will have on US and central American workers, the environment, and all...not that we would want to detract from the real news or anything, thumb, finger...you know...

Speaking of CAFTA and the impact this will have on US and central American workers, the environment, and all...not that we would want to detract from the real news or anything, thumb, finger...you know...

Ah, heck, I want to play, too, but I vote thumb.

Do I get a prize now?

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If that's his thumb its up your blind ass...

awwwwww....BJs in the oval office are cool...hating the media is not....there's no convincing the bush-haters during their circle jerk

Try to raise your thumb so it looks like that from the back. Really, try it.

It's the bird. And not the first time he's done it, so why would he care?

He's a dick.

Bush is the man.

if it's a thumb then it would be the last part of his hand with nothing to the left but i do see parts on the left

as i see it the right see what they want to see the left see what they want to see

Yeah, it's his thumb. But the footage certainly creates an illusion of him giving the finger. Nice, safe fodder for Leno.

Why do people need to believe it's his middle finger? No clue.

if you drag the slider to move it frame-by-frame, you can see his hand coming up and going down and it's clearly his thumb, unless he can somehow tuck his thumb AND his index finger into his palm. he's already flipped off the camera once (YEARS ago). who cares if he did/didn't again?

Why do people need to believe it's his middle finger? No clue.

because they're simps with nothing better to do.

First to note: I hate president bush, and I'm a liberal democrat. But, from the closeup shot of the hand, it's clearly a thumb. Everything to the left is his fingers curled around. This profile produces the correct shape of the wrist and the shadows that match it. Hold your hand up and compare a thumbs up and a middle finger- the thumbs up matches, and the other one doesn't come close.

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It depends on what the meaning of "finger" is.

Wow...just wow. Are you people serious?

I'm not sure who I hate more now, liberals or conservatives.

As funny (or sad) as it is to believe that Bush gave the media, and the rest of us, the Bird, it's pretty clear that it was his thumb.

First, I have a hard time recreating that look with my own middle finger; my index finger sticks up too much, and it looks like all of Bush's other fingers are flat across.

Second, it appears that what looks like "knuckles" is actually the fold of skin on the right where his index finger curls around.

Third, and most importantly, if you slow it down frame-by-frame as he puts his hand down, the finger in question is definitely the left-most finger on his hand in the last frame.

And some people have longer thumbs than others. Also, with as muscular a hand as I'm sure he has (insert your own joke here), it's not hard to believe that his hand when curled is as wide as some people's hands are flat across.

Sorry, everyone, but it really looks like it's his thumb. And, yeah, Leno would make fun of anyone, given the chance. It's what he makes the big bucks for, bringing the laughs. I think it's just funny, no matter which side of the aisle you're on.

I agree with many of the other posters here, he's not flipping off the camera. I'm sure he's learned his lesson with the other gaffs he's made.

You serious? I hate Bush haters!

How do you thumb morons explain that as the "thumb" points straight up in the air, his wrist is perfectly straight?

Take a fucking anatomy course douchbags. For fucks sake

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Bushfush:

Is there always this many idiot freepers posting here?

Click here and see what I think you mouth breathing products of rignt wing incestual couplings.

What a gaping asshole. Are you 12 yet?

OMG he's giving the thumbs up with his knuckles perfectly horizontal.

very much his thumb

uh yeah, very clearly his thumb, folks

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Bush Gives You The Finger Millions worldwide rally against Dubya's oily little war -- not that he gives a damn By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Friday, February 21, 2003

And then there's the one about the smirky war-happy oil-drunk American president who shrugged off the disdain of pretty much the entire world and humiliated us all on a global scale and went ahead and blasted the living hell out of an otherwise worthless oil-rich nation with no real proof of serious wrongdoing and for no justifiable reason, except for the oil and the power and for Daddy and for the face-saving faux-macho pride, and the oil.

This is the guy. This is the president who cares not a whit that just last weekend, over a million people rallied in London -- the largest political gathering of any kind in British history -- to protest his (and Tony Blair's) little multibillion-dollar war.

Or that 500,000 gathered at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, chanting slogans against his fearmongering ego, or that another 500,000 attempted to gather for a huge protest near the U.N. building in New York but, lacking a permit, were partially blocked by police.

This is the smirky Texas executioner-president who looked on while even in God-thumping pro-family ultraconservative Colorado Springs, Colo., land of the Born Agains and the heavily uptight, police fired tear gas into a crowd of war protesters, even though children were in an adjacent playground. Isn't that nice? And Christian? Shrub just shrugs. Damn hippies. God bless America.

And, really, who cares about the huge protests in Amsterdam, Brussels, Barcelona, Melbourne, Paris, Rome, Berlin, San Francisco, Seoul, Tokyo and at least 600 other cities all over the world last week? We've got a bogus war to fabricate here, people. And an environment to gouge. An economy to gut. Busy, busy.

And, besides, were any of those horrified protesters petrochemical CEOs? Military-supply execs? Members of Bush Sr.'s draconian Carlyle Group? Colleagues of the ShrubCo cabal of neo-conservative gangster executives who stand to rake in billions when we go to war? No they were not. Screw 'em.

Tough numbers to deny, nonetheless. Over 600 cities across the globe, all staging major anti-war rallies against America's aggro attitude and insipid war posture, millions and millions of people -- teachers and salespeople and politicians and doctors and students and workers, every creed and gender and age group and nationality and hairstyle -- and yet Geedubya simply equates them all with some sort of negligible "focus group."

And he said he doesn't base his policy decisions on focus groups, of course, because naturally he uses Barbie's Super Magic 8 Ball and old secret codes from his Vietnam draft-dodging days intermixed with his father's late-night gin-soaked advice and a cassette of Dick Cheney whispering demon-conjuring incantations in Latin. I mean, really, how else can you explain it?

This is the president who "respectfully disagrees" with just about everyone on the planet, with the almost universally held and repeatedly proven fact that Saddam isn't the slightest threat to the U.S. and never really has been, nor that he had anything to do with 9/11. Hey, with that sort of respect, who needs a bloody violent skull bludgeoning? Can I get a hell-yeah?

This is the president who scowled his super-duper scariest scowl at Hans Blix, chief U.N. weapons inspector, as Blix calmly and rationally rebuffed everything a flustered Colin Powell could throw at him during the U.S. plea before the U.N. Security Council to please please please let America launch all our big new bombs and shiny cool expensive Lockheed Martin planes and then arm up 180,000 of America's poor and have them go kill a half-million scary Iraqi people and destabilize an entire continent even further, please please oh pretty please.

U.N. inspectors, Blix reiterated for the 20th time, have found next to nothing. All those buildings in Powell's super-top-secret satellite photos? Empty. Nuclear factories? Nada. All those terrifying WMDs? Almost nonexistent.

Can you smell it? This is when all that pro-war WWII-style jingoism starts to reek, its fumes just a little sour, a little venomous and toxic and soul curdling. Or that could just be Rumsfeld's cologne. Eau du Warhead.

A touching side story: J. Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House and noted hunk of conservative sweating Muenster cheese, was actually considering legislation to ban French wine and bottled water -- for "health reasons," he said, and not because France has smartly dissed poor Shrub on the whole bogus-war thing. Isn't that cute? Hastert claimed that some French wine is clarified using cow blood. Hee. Oh Dennis. As the kids say, are you high?

Hastert also reportedly claimed that certain molecules in French fries and French toast and French ticklers have perhaps been secretly coded by French porn stars with perverted terrorist messages designed to drive American babies insane and cause massive genital warts on teenagers and SUV owners. Just, you know, something he read. Note to Dennis: hush now.

But enough with the bit players. Have we seen this sort of thing before? This kind of protest, on this scale? Vietnam rings a rather bitter, and heartbreaking, bell. But that movement had a decidedly different complexion.

Huge protests, yes, but more localized, organized largely by doomed students, not quite so many millions of "normal" citizens rallying from Spain to Germany to Greece, all on the same day, all holding up signs featuring giant photos of our smirky squinty blank-eyed leader with a big red X over his face.

And oh yes, upwards of 50,000 U.S. troops were killed in Vietnam. In Iraq, we might suffer, say, two dozen casualties, most from our own mistakes and "friendly fire" (if Desert Storm is any precedent), while we can expect to massacre roughly half a million Iraqis in the first week. Now, that's patriotic. Would anyone tolerate Shrub's warmongering if we stood to lose 50,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq? Hardly. Good thing it's mostly just innocent foreign civilians and children.

Which brings us to the latest phony Orange Alert. And all the other astoundingly coincidental announcements of alleged terrorist action threatening the U.S., shrill alarmist rhetoric that, every single time, just so happened to be conveniently timed for just when Shrub was prancing most precariously in the glaring light of general idiocy and ratings slippage.

Enron scandal: Time for a terror alert. The economy is tanking: Look out! Terrorists! Tax cuts for the rich: Terrorists are in your yard! The U.N. rejects your plea, the whole damn world is against your little war and you need to drum up some additional domestic fear like, pronto, to justify your small-scale megalomania: Stand back, time for a bogus Orange Alert! Coincidence? You do the math.

This just in: A federal appeals court just decided that Arkansas officials can use drugs to render an insane murderer sane enough to execute. True. Finally, something Geedubya can cheer about. Just like Texas, eh, George? When life was easy and killing them crimnulz was just a flipped switch away? When all you had to deal with were a few dozen ragtag protesters outside the prison, decrying your love of killin' in the name of the state. Shoot. Life sure was simpler then. Damn hippies.

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I thought it was his middle finger at first and even when I first watched the video. But then I slowed it down and the last two frames you can see his 'finger' in you see him turn it towards him. This is not a natural movement for a human. From the way he moves it as he pulls it down it is clearly his thumb.

For the people saying it is too long to be his thumb look at the other video where he is clearly giving the middle finger and you can see his thumb as well. He has fairly long thumbs and could be confused with the middle finger in this configuration.

what you see to the right of his thumb is his index knuckle and to the left of his thumb you can see the side of his index finger by the way he has it wrapped.

Ah.....the symmetry of the human hand. It works from both angles! Thus the argument that has ensued.

The wrist, however is not symmetrical. If he was giving you the finger, you'd be able to see the face of his watch, were he wearing one. If you look closely, his wrist is not showing it's widest part, where the face of a watch would be. Thus, it has to be his thumb.

I hope Bush does get his dick sucked. Then we can finally impeach him!!

What does it freakin' matter? The presidency is in shambles ever since Nixon. Clinto took it to a new level with his fooling around. Now Bush acts like a child. So what? The highest office of the land is nothing but a foolish facade. The real power has been the people behind the President. The question should not be about the President giving the finger, but more about who controls that finger and the man that uses it.

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You libs are clearly reaching here. You look for any reason to bash Bush because George W Bush is all you have in your life.

That's not a middle finger. Stevie Wonder could see that's not a middle finger but leave a bunch of libs alone in a room with this video and they'll swear it was a middle finger.

I can't stand that asshole any more than the next guy. No class... no respect... and a sly smirk 24-7, and I'll never give him credit for an ounce of sense, but that is quite clearly his thumb. Not that I can't see why Jay Leno would go for the laugh. :)

Signed,

A "lib" who knows it's not a middle finger

Oh......I cant wait til 2006!! You liberals keep spending time freezing video clips and whining about fingers as the GOP tromps you again!!! I wish you people would do something productive instead....actually I don't.....keep watching the tapes. Then later you can watch the tapes of the Senate when you have even less democrats then you do now!! That will be an even better middle finger for ya! This is why you will lose every election in the near future.Even people in your own party are saying you have NO MESSAGE, NO NEW IDEAS and NO PLATFORM !!! Oh....but watch this tape we have!! Hehehe

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It's his thumb you lying worms.

Too slender to be his thumb, but that's the official story from the White House. They're lying that it's his thumb, so they're lying period. So what does that leave us with, the middle finger.

Pages like this really hurt the overall credibility of the Left. I would love to find I'm wrong, but this is clearly a thumb.

He has fairly long thumbs and could be confused with the middle finger in this configuration."

Oh does he LOL Now we're going to pretend he's a long-thumbed freak of nature, hilarious!

IT'S HIS THUMB YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

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The moonbats are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

And thanks to the people who despise Bush, but are sane and mature enough to admit that's a thumb. It's a start. :)

I think the term "miserable failure" suits this President to a "T", but that's his thumb!

i hate him as much as the next guy, but that is his thumb

Partisan fun as usual: If Clinton shot the bird at the cameras, libs would cheer and cons would gripe.

Its not a middle finger. Geez.

If you pause it and play the video, watch the part where his hand is coming down. Now unless his middle finger is deformed and at the end of this hand.............

Push kills countless numbers of Iraqis everyday,its not a big deal.

That looks like his middle finger there is a knuckle to the left of it. I've seen more pics of him with using this gesture since 2000

I am NO fan of "the shrub," but it really looks like his thumb to me.

It's. His. Thumb. For. Chrissakes.

Pause the film at the moment he has his thumb in the air. Then use the left/right cursor keys to jog the frames back and forth. As he lowers his hand, you'll note that whatever he has in the air turns inwards towards him.

Making it his thumb.

It's absolutely his thumb. When he lowers it you can tell. (But it's still a stupid gesture. Where does he think he is? A Foghat concert?)

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Never, have I ever, seen so much spam as the nutzees who keep posting that it is his thumb.

You NUTZEES protest way too much.

Get over it, he shot you the bird.

Thats his THUMB, you GOOBERS! The man is a buffoon, but this kind of frezied liberal gnashing of teeth makes him look more credible.

Bush haters: Please stop acting like loons...it frightens joe sixpack...and you NEED him to vote with you.

umm...that's about an inch too short to be his middle finger. even if it is - so what!

I hate the President as much as anyone else and wish this were true....but that is a thumbs up sign, not a one-fingered salute.

As I recall, Clinton didn't "stogy" anybody on camera. Or did I miss something?

And you righty tighties have such astounding intellectual integrity ... voting for social service cuts AND tax breaks for the rich (check the actual tax codes, idiot, instead of parrotting what your preacher said) while the Red states have the hightest divorce rate/poverty rate/pregnant teens rate of any demographic .. yeah, I'm impressed.

My family has served in the armed forces in every U.S. war since they landed on Plymouth rock, and guess what, they all fought for freedom, democracy, and independence. Most of them came back alive and respected, the dead had all their wounds in front (know what that means, you draft-dodging twit?), and some of 'em brought medals home. If you think that's liberal pussydom, you can just kneel down and eat min

And then there's the one about the smirky war-happy oil-drunk American president who shrugged off the disdain of pretty much the entire world and humiliated us all on a global scale and went ahead and blasted the living hell out of an otherwise worthless oil-rich nation with no real proof of serious wrongdoing and for no justifiable reason, except for the oil and the power and for Daddy and for the face-saving faux-macho pride, and the oil.

This is the guy. This is the president who cares not a whit that just last weekend, over a million people rallied in London -- the largest political gathering of any kind in British history -- to protest his (and Tony Blair's) little multibillion-dollar war.

Or that 500,000 gathered at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, chanting slogans against his fearmongering ego, or that another 500,000 attempted to gather for a huge protest near the U.N. building in New York but, lacking a permit, were partially blocked by police.

This is the smirky Texas executioner-president who looked on while even in God-thumping pro-family ultraconservative Colorado Springs, Colo., land of the Born Agains and the heavily uptight, police fired tear gas into a crowd of war protesters, even though children were in an adjacent playground. Isn't that nice? And Christian? Shrub just shrugs. Damn hippies. God bless America.

And, really, who cares about the huge protests in Amsterdam, Brussels, Barcelona, Melbourne, Paris, Rome, Berlin, San Francisco, Seoul, Tokyo and at least 600 other cities all over the world last week? We've got a bogus war to fabricate here, people. And an environment to gouge. An economy to gut. Busy, busy.

And, besides, were any of those horrified protesters petrochemical CEOs? Military-supply execs? Members of Bush Sr.'s draconian Carlyle Group? Colleagues of the ShrubCo cabal of neo-conservative gangster executives who stand to rake in billions when we go to war? No they were not. Screw 'em.

Tough numbers to deny, nonetheless. Over 600 cities across the globe, all staging major anti-war rallies against America's aggro attitude and insipid war posture, millions and millions of people -- teachers and salespeople and politicians and doctors and students and workers, every creed and gender and age group and nationality and hairstyle -- and yet Geedubya simply equates them all with some sort of negligible "focus group."

And he said he doesn't base his policy decisions on focus groups, of course, because naturally he uses Barbie's Super Magic 8 Ball and old secret codes from his Vietnam draft-dodging days intermixed with his father's late-night gin-soaked advice and a cassette of Dick Cheney whispering demon-conjuring incantations in Latin. I mean, really, how else can you explain it?

This is the president who "respectfully disagrees" with just about everyone on the planet, with the almost universally held and repeatedly proven fact that Saddam isn't the slightest threat to the U.S. and never really has been, nor that he had anything to do with 9/11. Hey, with that sort of respect, who needs a bloody violent skull bludgeoning? Can I get a hell-yeah?

This is the president who scowled his super-duper scariest scowl at Hans Blix, chief U.N. weapons inspector, as Blix calmly and rationally rebuffed everything a flustered Colin Powell could throw at him during the U.S. plea before the U.N. Security Council to please please please let America launch all our big new bombs and shiny cool expensive Lockheed Martin planes and then arm up 180,000 of America's poor and have them go kill a half-million scary Iraqi people and destabilize an entire continent even further, please please oh pretty please.

U.N. inspectors, Blix reiterated for the 20th time, have found next to nothing. All those buildings in Powell's super-top-secret satellite photos? Empty. Nuclear factories? Nada. All those terrifying WMDs? Almost nonexistent.

Can you smell it? This is when all that pro-war WWII-style jingoism starts to reek, its fumes just a little sour, a little venomous and toxic and soul curdling. Or that could just be Rumsfeld's cologne. Eau du Warhead.

A touching side story: J. Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House and noted hunk of conservative sweating Muenster cheese, was actually considering legislation to ban French wine and bottled water -- for "health reasons," he said, and not because France has smartly dissed poor Shrub on the whole bogus-war thing. Isn't that cute? Hastert claimed that some French wine is clarified using cow blood. Hee. Oh Dennis. As the kids say, are you high?

Hastert also reportedly claimed that certain molecules in French fries and French toast and French ticklers have perhaps been secretly coded by French porn stars with perverted terrorist messages designed to drive American babies insane and cause massive genital warts on teenagers and SUV owners. Just, you know, something he read. Note to Dennis: hush now.

But enough with the bit players. Have we seen this sort of thing before? This kind of protest, on this scale? Vietnam rings a rather bitter, and heartbreaking, bell. But that movement had a decidedly different complexion.

Huge protests, yes, but more localized, organized largely by doomed students, not quite so many millions of "normal" citizens rallying from Spain to Germany to Greece, all on the same day, all holding up signs featuring giant photos of our smirky squinty blank-eyed leader with a big red X over his face.

And oh yes, upwards of 50,000 U.S. troops were killed in Vietnam. In Iraq, we might suffer, say, two dozen casualties, most from our own mistakes and "friendly fire" (if Desert Storm is any precedent), while we can expect to massacre roughly half a million Iraqis in the first week. Now, that's patriotic. Would anyone tolerate Shrub's warmongering if we stood to lose 50,000 U.S. soldiers in Iraq? Hardly. Good thing it's mostly just innocent foreign civilians and children.

Which brings us to the latest phony Orange Alert. And all the other astoundingly coincidental announcements of alleged terrorist action threatening the U.S., shrill alarmist rhetoric that, every single time, just so happened to be conveniently timed for just when Shrub was prancing most precariously in the glaring light of general idiocy and ratings slippage.

Enron scandal: Time for a terror alert. The economy is tanking: Look out! Terrorists! Tax cuts for the rich: Terrorists are in your yard! The U.N. rejects your plea, the whole damn world is against your little war and you need to drum up some additional domestic fear like, pronto, to justify your small-scale megalomania: Stand back, time for a bogus Orange Alert! Coincidence? You do the math.

This just in: A federal appeals court just decided that Arkansas officials can use drugs to render an insane murderer sane enough to execute. True. Finally, something Geedubya can cheer about. Just like Texas, eh, George? When life was easy and killing them crimnulz was just a flipped switch away? When all you had to deal with were a few dozen ragtag protesters outside the prison, decrying your love of killin' in the name of the state. Shoot. Life sure was simpler then. Damn hippies.

That is his thumb. I wish it were the one finger salute. I wish he were giving it to the liberal left and all the nut-jobs in the Democratic party and Moveon.org. Maybe Michael Moore was standing there. lol

Krusty Krab on July 28, 2005 10:32 PM

Ouch, ouch, ouch!

I must have drilled into a nerve. Surely an intelligent person like yourself should be able to post a better flaming insult than a weak "What a gaping asshole. Are you 12 yet?".

Pardon me intelligent person while I fart in your general direction.

If you watch the whole vid, you'll see it is a thumb. This is just another example of people twisting and distorting the truth for their own adgenda. Bush, Micheal Moore, the media and most of political parties are guilty of this.

As predisposed as I am to bash Bush, I have to chime in that I see a thumb... albeit a strangely simian one. The real point here, however, is the ability of people to be distracted so easily from really important matters. Whether or not Bush flipped off the press is completely unimportant in the midst of the horrific abuses taking place -- assaults against the Constitution and our freedom, spiraling deaths in a war we were misled into, growing subsidies to corporations, crippling deficits and tax cuts for the wealthy... but hey, let's focus on which finger he extended.

Let me add a small amout of fire to this.

HE SHOT THE FUCKING BIRD FUCKWADS!

Speaking of shooting the bird, I remember when he went quail hunting to prove what an outdoorsman/hunter he was, what he killed was a killdeer, a protected songbird. Bad eyesight must be a rightwing defect.

HE RAISED THE FUCK YOU FINGER FUCKWADS!

For Gene and those that think spending time focusing on whether it is a finger or not must not believe that humans can multi-task. Taking time out for a chuckle doesn't mean we can't also focus on more important issues too.

morons. i love watching libs show what they're made of. it's like standing in the hallway of a middle school.

It might help if you looked at the whole clip showing the gesture and not only at one caption. And try to repeat it. Doing thumbs up you would raise your hand almost directly upwards and not like this. When the hand is about half way up you can see it from the side and you can see the thumb and index finger together in front of the finger in question. And then the it seems that you see the back of the hand. It's all pretty hard to see but when you look carefully it looks like middle finger...

Conratulation Derek

Your English writing skills almost match the level that our dear pResident speaks language.

it's a thumbs up, dumbasses.

There's only one thing I can say:

Go to images dot google dot com and type in 'bush finger' and tell me: Are they all thumbs?

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It's all in the wrist. Hold up your own thumb at that angle and see how narrow your wrist is. Then try it with your middle finger. Obvious difference.

I vote thumb also.

Poor guy gives the thumbs up and look what he gets, don't you people have anyhting better to do?

My question is this: Try typing in 'bush finger' on images at google and tell me, 'Are they all thumbs?'

This is certainly his middle finger. This just goes to show you what a idiot he really is and does not give a darn about the people of this country.

Not quite as poignant as a flat out lie to all of America (a la Clinton). 95% of the press are assholes anyway so a bird would be warranted

"Not quite as poignant as a flat out lie to all of America (a la Clinton)."

"Iraq has weapons of mass destruction."

I think that's pretty poignant, with the same audience...but that's just me.

http://nyquil.org/index.php?/archives/259-Bush-Flips-off-Reporters.html

I present you with clear evidence that this is in fact his thumb.

I wonder where Clinton stuck his middle finger?

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It's just another low point in American history. Invade a country without provocation and then break our previously stable economy to keep our boys and girls there as everyday fodder for terrorist weapons; lie repeatedly to the American people and the rest of the world; support smear campaigns about our American heroes while lying about his own murky past of avoiding the fulfillment of his military duties. WOW! Kinda makes the "bird" a blip on his list of incorrigibles, don't you think?

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Det er selvf�lgelig en fuckfinger. Bush giver hele verden den finger

Let me first say that I didn't vote for him, and I would never vote for him. That said, look at his wrist - it's sideways to the camera, which means that his hand is in the wrong position for that to be "the bird". Also, try doing that with your hand... I can't get my remaining fingers to lay flat enough to look like that. My index and ring fingers want to bend at the middle knuckle. I agree with jer (http://nyquil.org/index.php?/archives/259-Bush-Flips-off-Reporters.html)

Be sure to check out Bush actually flipping the bird: http://nyquil.org/uploads/BushUncensored.mov

Its a thumbs up. I hate the guys politics but I have ot be honest in saying that is his thumb. Watch the movie again frame by frame and keep moving through as he drops his hand. If you follow all the way until his hand drops to his side you will notice that his wrist rotates counterclockwise as he is dropping it until his palm is parallel with the floor.

shut the hell up you whiny shitbird conservative cum stains, it is his middle finger. you are all panty waist pussy moron meat puppet zombies who fight to see who gets to lick bush's cornhole first. you are all limpdicks, the lot of you.

Norm: "For Gene and those that think spending time focusing on whether it is a finger or not must not believe that humans can multi-task. Taking time out for a chuckle doesn't mean we can't also focus on more important issues too."

Chuckle? I've never seen more hostility in a comment thread in all my readings of weblogs for the last almost five years. And I've read LGF's comment threads in the past.

More 'laughter' and your weblog would self-destruct from the anger, Norm.

You tell em Binder. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Watch him try and jump over a cow.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a degree in drawing.. skeletal movement type stuff. The last few frames when he lowers his hand, his shoulder drops with a rotation of his forearm/wrist, you see his hand flatten out and it's a thumb. It looks strange, and for most of the frames it looks like a middle finger (except the side of the wrist, shown, is thinner than the top and bottom). That's not to say I like Bush. He's a pedophile and a mass murderer. Illuminati know when to not shoot the finger. Test tape, yes, press event, no.

sorry, I hate Bush as much as anybody, but I'm a scultor and I have apretty good eye for this stuff. That was hi index finger.

Poor Binder. Not getting any of the corn from the ol' corn hole lately? You get back to your minimum wage job and leave the rest of us alone.

You guys are so fucking retarded. Do you have nothing else better to do besides argue whether it was his thumb or finger?

It's people like you that elect a president like him, and don't say you didn't because I know you did.

Just like I know it was his thumb. Get lives, all of you.

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The mind boggles!

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I think it is disgusting how everyone is so desperate to denounce our president. You would have to be a fool to think that he is giving the middle finger to the press. The test tape? yes. How terrible though, our president has a sense of humor. So people like binder, some one who doesn't care, and sonny p to name a few, should all be sent to prison for treason. I recently spent a year in Afghanistan fighting my ass off. Just to come home and see pussies like you fueling the fire of our enemy. I would love to beat the shit out each you for publicly putting down our government. Sleep well tonight, people are still fighting for you!!

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Hahaha, he's giving the thumbs up to someone, you fucking retards.

What would you expect from a white-collar criminal and a total scumball?

Makes for such a better story though...finger instead of thumb.

As much as I would like to go along with it being the middle finger and I think that is what Bush thinks of the press trying to find out what his administration is doing to our country. Is he protecting our national security or violating it , or letting staff violate it? it is hard to tell because the picture is blurred, but I think it is the thumb based on the picture frames as his arm is going back down where his wrist is turning with the finger sticking out to the right. The only one that knows for sure is Bush himself and the guy in front and right side of him who turned around and looked at Bush and smiled, then turned back after Bush put his arm down.

semperfi17 on July 29, 2005 03:08 PM

Prison? For expressing an opinion? The Taliban must have indoctrinated you about desent while you were in Afghanistan. I thought you warriors were fighting for our freedom to express our opinions. I guess you do not want a society that allows free speech. Sounds like the Taliban speaking instead of a freedom warrior. I think you may need some conselling and some sensitivity training. At least you came home, my father didn't come home from his last USMC assignment. So I want you do what Dickhead Cheney wants for everyone who does not agree with him to do "GO FUCK YOURSELF".

I fart in your general direction jarhead.

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Come on people! Even Bush, with all his shortsightings, wouldn't do something that stupid. Besides, I saw the original clip on TV, and it really is quite clearly his thumb. That said, the press deserves the flying fickle finger of fate for all the crap they pull, no matter who's in office.

(Binder and others who can't figure out how to use the English language with some level of intelligence and creativity - grow up, be a man, and move out of your momma's house.)

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I just HAD to come back and see how far this had gone. Be the blog owner wished he was actually getting PAID for this huh? Silly liberal, checks are for WORKERS! To all the people who play "mythbusters" and then "watch the video frame by frame"...try getting laid. you'll give much less of a crap about stupid red herrings like THIS. To all the "liberals who served"...YES. we LOVE to hear that you're dropping like flies, if you had a backbone you wouldn't be. The only shame is that you didn't do it while wearing a peace corps uniform, you had to waste tax dollars and be trained by the military (which you joined only to subvert). to all the Bush haters who always have nothing to do but complain...try offering WORKING SOLUTIONS instead of just bitching. Complaining and not doing something about it is like running in the special olympics: even if you win, you're still a retard.

and lastly, way to go people for confirming that there really is NOTHING on the web but smut and morons.

Hahahahaha, it's his thumb. But for those who REALLY wanted it to be his middle finger, it is, and it's only to you. You guys are so funny.

There there, go take your medication. Diazepan is it?

It is diazepam, rhymes with spam. Here is some more spam. FINGER FINGER FINGER.

This a classic case of the thumb wagging the dog. Assertions here regarding "thumbs up" are part of the GOP noise machine. Just keep mentioning "thumb" and pretty soon the debate is all about thumbs. Thumb Thumb Thumb Thumb Thumb!

Shelley's right there is more anger than anything else in the comments. I may be the only one chuckling. Since everything that can be said on the suject has been said this is a good time to close comments on the topic. Like many, I would have sworn it was a finger, in fact I did swear it was a finger, but having read the comments followed the links replayed it on my own TV in slow motion I've concluded that it is indeed the President's thumb. I suppose what threw me off was the fact that the digit was the wrong color for this president's thumb. It's been fun but it's time to move on.

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